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So I am at a crossroads. I can buy a 9900 (non K) for 220 USD 240 with taxes or shell out 167 bucsk more for a 10700k or buy a 3700x. So I always thought Intel CPUs were better for 3D vision cause of our core count bugs but people on these forums are telling me AMD is actually better?!:

https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-intel ... 00k-2.html

And they linked these benchmarks:

https://www.techspot.com/article/1876-4 ... s-core-i9/
https://www.gpucheck.com/compare-game-c ... tx-2080-ti

What should I do?

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Ampere GPUs will be PCI Express 4.0 and will hopefully work with 3D Vision.
SSDs on 4.0 will be quite fast.
Intel does not support 4.0 currently, but will in 2021.With a die shrink, thermals and power to performance ratio will be much better than their top current CPU.
AMD currently supports 4.0.

That's my 2 cents, and all I know on this matter.

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3DNovice wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:17 am Ampere GPUs will be PCI Express 4.0 and will hopefully work with 3D Vision.
SSDs on 4.0 will be quite fast.
Intel does not support 4.0 currently, but will in 2021.With a die shrink, thermals and power to performance ratio will be much better than their top current CPU.
AMD currently supports 4.0.

That's my 2 cents, and all I know on this matter.
So what you say is to wait for Ryzen 4000 then?

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Well, I'm not really saying anything, just suggesting that you might want to wait.

Any CPU that you purchase will require a new motherboard,unless your current mobo is capable of supporting the 9900 with a bios update.

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At this stage you most likely want the strongest architecture/ highest core clock speed processor you can find. Due to the driver problems with 3dvision. That means Intel.
Intel has the best gaming performance right now in general I think because of this where games don't utilize alot of cores very well, but this is changing....
It's all well having 16 cores or whatever but worthless to you for 3dvision for the most part.

Personally I think its a bad time to consider an upgrade I would wait to see what the next year brings.

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Zen 3 4000 series desktop at the end of this year. Intel 7nm in 21/22, as well as Zen 4 5000 series. I will personally be waiting till 21/22 and buy the best of intel 7nm/Zen4 5000 with DDR5 support. I appreciate that people can't wait, but indeed now is a bad time to buy.

If I absolutely had to buy today from the above choices for 3DV especially, 10700k which comes clocked to 5.3GHz boost as standard, would win my money.

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Yeah and from what I understand the 10700k series motherboards and such do not have PCIEX 4.0, unsure if we have even got too the point of saturating 3.0 but it's another reason to wait if you can.

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I'm using a Ryzen 7 2700x and an Nvidia 1660Ti with Win 10 v2004 running driver 451.67 with 3D Vision (driver install is accomplished via the BringBack3DV tool here:
viewtopic.php?f=105&t=23752 ).
It's been working out quite well for 3DV as well as VR. Since I put this PC together, better cards and CPUs have dropped in price. It'd be nice to improve on this, as VR is surprisingly demanding. I figured if my rig could handle 3DV on max that it'd be even better for VR, but it doesn't work that way. On top of producing two images for 3D, the machine has to handle all of the directional tracking, so it ends up being even more computations being resolved.

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I have a gtx 970 and a ryzen threadripper 3960. I have no problems with 3Dvision. I use the 3dfixmanager to get the 3dvision drivers on current nvidia drivers.

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I think the thrust really lies with what the future holds at this point rather than whats playable now. That's why If you can wait till next year...

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Intel Rocket Lake-S confirmed with PCI-Express 4.0 support.
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel ... pport.html

Sadly, still no die shrink.

Also the new Ampere CPUs are requiring a 12 pin power connecter.

https://www.techpowerup.com/269957/the- ... mpere-gpus

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Muojo wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:08 am
So what you say is to wait for Ryzen 4000 then?
That's what I'd do, at least.
If you're going to save and buy the best stuff you can get your hands on, it may be worth to wait a couple weeks/months and really buy the latest stuff on the market. This way, you'll be set for a couple years.

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Note that VR’s future is going to be more taxing on your CPU/GPU than 3DV gaming, primarily because of VR’s higher frame rates (really need at least 80 Hz). For example, I find VR gaming with my Vive Pro (same pixels per eye as Index), with 150% resolution scaling, puts a bigger load on my computer (i9-9900X, 32 GB) and 2080Ti, than 3DV gaming on my 4K OLED display. Reverb G2, which still appears to be on schedule for release next month, doubles Vive Pro’s pixels per eye. I can overclock my hybrid-cooled 2080Ti more with 3DV gaming than VR gaming, slightly hindering VR performance, also.
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AMD definitely have the better product at the moment for almost all use-cases. However, if you're solely looking for 3dv performance, considering the 3 core bug, frequency is king. So Intel has a slight edge, particularly if you're comfortable with overclocking.

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It's also worth noting that for VR experiences in particular, that 90% of them are currently single threaded. So a massively multi-threaded CPU is useless for improving VR. Only go with huge numbers of cores if you have other workloads that can benefit like video processing or software development.

I'm sure there will be objections to my statement about VR being single threaded. 90% of the games built for VR right now are made using either Unity or UE4. Neither of those game engines supports multithreading in the current generation. UE4 has some limited support to improve the drawing, but nothing for the game logic itself. Unity has essentially nothing even for drawing. The game logic needs to run at 90 fps too- to capture your location, where you are looking, physics, and so on. It's single threaded.

There are some notable exceptions where the devs do the extra work to bring genuine multithreading to their gameplay, but the vast majority of UE4 and Unity devs hit the big Build button and let the tool do whatever it does.

Clearly this will change over time, UE4 and Unity both want to have DX12 and Vulkan at highest performance. Your crystal ball may be different than mine. Mine says that for two to three years of use for a new CPU, that IPC will remain king, not cores.


Caveat: I know Unity very well, but have looked only briefly at UE4. Still you can see this on your own system. Run any regular VR experience and look at CPU usage in Task Manager.

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bo3bber wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:20 pm It's also worth noting that for VR experiences in particular, that 90% of them are currently single threaded. So a massively multi-threaded CPU is useless for improving VR. Only go with huge numbers of cores if you have other workloads that can benefit like video processing or software development.

I'm sure there will be objections to my statement about VR being single threaded. 90% of the games built for VR right now are made using either Unity or UE4. Neither of those game engines supports multithreading in the current generation. UE4 has some limited support to improve the drawing, but nothing for the game logic itself. Unity has essentially nothing even for drawing. The game logic needs to run at 90 fps too- to capture your location, where you are looking, physics, and so on. It's single threaded.

There are some notable exceptions where the devs do the extra work to bring genuine multithreading to their gameplay, but the vast majority of UE4 and Unity devs hit the big Build button and let the tool do whatever it does.

Clearly this will change over time, UE4 and Unity both want to have DX12 and Vulkan at highest performance. Your crystal ball may be different than mine. Mine says that for two to three years of use for a new CPU, that IPC will remain king, not cores.


Caveat: I know Unity very well, but have looked only briefly at UE4. Still you can see this on your own system. Run any regular VR experience and look at CPU usage in Task Manager.
So go for Intel then? Or would the 4000 series have better single core performance?

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Seriously wait.... Until next year if you can. Amd are about to announce there next gen of CPU's too.

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RAGEdemon wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:03 pm Zen 3 4000 series desktop at the end of this year. Intel 7nm in 21/22, as well as Zen 4 5000 series. I will personally be waiting till 21/22 and buy the best of intel 7nm/Zen4 5000 with DDR5 support. I appreciate that people can't wait, but indeed now is a bad time to buy.

If I absolutely had to buy today from the above choices for 3DV especially, 10700k which comes clocked to 5.3GHz boost as standard, would win my money.

I don't know who is telling you that AMD is better, but it's not based on fact. Price vs performance? Yes. Performance vs power? Yes. Likeability over intel's unethical shenanigans? Yes. Raw gaming performance, especially for CPU limited 3D Vision? Hell no.
Is 3DMigoto loads only one CPU core especially in shaderhacking with inverse matrix and decals fixing ? Can somebody from top shaderhackers (Flugan, DSS, bo3b (known here as bo3bber)) who worked with codes of 3DMigoto wrapper clarify this ?

So there are two variables of CPU power in 3DV: architecture and core frequence. We should test the same game in same FPS mesurement programm with same GPU (better from top segment) with different CPUs. I have XEON 1230 v2 + RTX 2070 for tests now. The game for testing should be use low visual settings to avoid GPU limitation and use decals and inverse matrix fixing in 3DMigoto and it better to have internal benchmark too - Metro Exodus for example with low settings

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Necropants wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:51 am Seriously wait.... Until next year if you can. Amd are about to announce there next gen of CPU's too.
Yes, if you want Intel, wait until next year for a die shrink and PCIe 4.0 support finally.
Plus new motherboard chipset.
https://www.techpowerup.com/276046/inte ... nuary-11th

Unfortunately, it looks like ddr5 will not be seen available for desktops until 2022.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16142/dd ... m-sk-hynix
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16289/te ... 00-in-2021

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Intel officially announced their Rocket Lake GPU at CES 2021 and will finally support PCIe 4.0, but no die shrink, it's still 14nm
and using the LGA 1200 socket, so it will be backward compatible with 400-series motherboards.

https://wccftech.com/intel-rocket-lake- ... -ces-2021/

There are new motherboards, with new chipsets to support these new Rocket Lake GPUs to their fullest

https://wccftech.com/intel-z590-motherb ... -gigabyte/

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DDR5 8400MHz dropping second half of this year:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/ADATA-to- ... 894.0.html

New AMD CPUs with shrunk IO die, PCIe4, and DDR5 support also ought to be dropping early next year (1.5 year cadence after 5000 series), assuming no delays.

It would be foolhardy to /not/ wait for these platforms.

Some significant performance advancements almost within reach... hopefully they will stimulate the CPU market out of the crevice it has been stuck in for the last decade...
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ASUS, EVGA and Zoltac are raising prices on GPUs and MoBos

https://www.techpowerup.com/277228/foll ... es-pricing

On a good note, Intel will be releasing their new discrete GPUs this year. Hopefully, they will be able to match AMD and
Nvidia with some enthusiast models next year. Not bad for their initial release though, I'm hoping to see good things, because
unlike Nvidia, Intel will not be carrying baggage forward, from year to year. In other words, there will not be all that Vista, XP and
older residual crap in the driver. Hopefully, way less emulated crap, that was patched/pieced together to make it functional.

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel ... ively.html
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Wow. This is unprecedented, I think, at least for video cards? This whole situation with the 30-series is a disaster...
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I'm not in the market for a RTX 3XXX, lotsa luck, to any of you that are.

According to Newegg, their new stock sells out in 1 minute on average.
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All launches and restocks have been selling out in minutes (or less) so be prepared to go through the checkout process fast to give yourself the best chance. Our inventory will be replenished as our partners send in more inventory. Products will be activated accordingly on the site.
Supposedly, on NewEgg, the best way to get one, is to download their app
NewEgg wrote: Got any tips?
About half of our 30 Series RTX sales are coming from our Newegg app. You can download our app here
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lol, looks like Intel's new discrete graphics card, is not going to work with AMD CPUs or Intels newer CPU

"The colleagues from Legit Reviews learned from Intel that the Iris Xe graphics card could only be used with 9th and 10th generation desktop processors (that would be Coffee Lake-S and Comet Lake-S). To be able to be compatible with the DG1 GPU, the motherboards need a special bios as well.

Only motherboards based on B460, H410, B365, or H310C chipset will be provided with this bios update, which means not even the Z series would be compatible. It is unclear whether Intel wants to support more platforms in the future; we assume they will."

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel ... mobos.html

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Just a FYI...

If any of you have been waiting on a AMD 4 CPU, the 5800X is currently in stock At NewEgg, BHP Photo and Best Buy at the MSRP of $449.00

The RTX 3060 GPUs launched yesterday and were quickly bought out by scalpers, hopefully gamers were able to get a few of them.

If you are waiting to buy a Intel Core i9-11900K (finally with PCIe 4.0 support)releasing fairly soon, you should be ready to buy minutes after launch

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Good FYI.

It has to be said that new wave of CPUs from Intel / AMD about to hit later this year/next year with DDR5 and improved IPC - 11900k will be short lived - buy with caution.
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Yes, the Rocket Lake 11900 will be short lived, because Intel Alder Lake will be dropping H2 2021, supposedly with a die shrink finally!!!!

Alder Lake may also support DDR5, but bear in mind that DDR5 production is in it's infancy. Currently, only samples have been produced
and there is also that whole thing about 2021 Semiconductor shortage and price increases. Consumer DDR5 Ram could easily be delayed until 2022,
especially since there has been no formal announcements as of yet.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/alder ... dr5-memory

But DDR5 will definitely be worth the wait, for those that do not need an upgrade before then.

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There is another route available for those of us on z170 / z270 boards - a unified hacking tool has become available which can automatically modify most [all] bioses from these boards to enable support for more modern CPUs such as the 8C16T 9900k, 8c8t 9700k, and 6c12t 8700k:

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https://www.win-raid.com/t3987f16-TOOL- ... -bios.html

There is a restriction on ASUS boards where they can only take <16 threads, but even in those circumstances, crossflashable biosses are available for full 8c16t support.

There are also options regarding the modification you choose - e.g., you can connect/isolate pins on the new CPU, or you could solder a couple of connections on your motherboard | you can use ASUS flashback, or you can get an SPI programmer for a couple of dollars with detailed instructions describing how to use it to flash your new bios.

There is always an element of risk, but for some this might be a viable path. For example, one could sell their 7700k for £150 and buy a 9900k for £250 - a relatively measly £100 has just doubled your core count and brought your 4+ year old system into trading blows with todays highest end cpu's for gaming; - however, their usefulness for 3DV with its core bug would be questionable of course.
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RAGEdemon wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:54 pm There is another route available for those of us on z170 / z270 boards - a unified hacking tool has become available which can automatically modify most [all] bioses from these boards to enable support for more modern CPUs such as the 8C16T 9900k, 8c8t 9700k, and 6c12t 8700k:

Image

https://www.win-raid.com/t3987f16-TOOL- ... -bios.html

There is a restriction on ASUS boards where they can only take <16 threads, but even in those circumstances, crossflashable biosses are available for full 8c16t support.

There are also options regarding the modification you choose - e.g., you can connect/isolate pins on the new CPU, or you could solder a couple of connections on your motherboard | you can use ASUS flashback, or you can get an SPI programmer for a couple of dollars with detailed instructions describing how to use it to flash your new bios.

There is always an element of risk, but for some this might be a viable path. For example, one could sell their 7700k for £150 and buy a 9900k for £250 - a relatively measly £100 has just doubled your core count and brought your 4+ year old system into trading blows with todays highest end cpu's for gaming; - however, their usefulness for 3DV with its core bug would be questionable of course.
Wow that’s awesome
For months I wanted to upgrade my z170 mb for a new cpu!
Now there is a way to put 9900k cpu on my old mb!
Definitely gonna check this out.
Thanks rage for the info.

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Glad some will find it useful :)

Here is a great video which knowledgeable people have said they followed, to go through the process. Some very valuable information in there...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hghT2iOvWTU
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RAGEdemon wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:20 am Glad some will find it useful :)

Here is a great video which knowledgeable people have said they followed, to go through the process. Some very valuable information in there...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hghT2iOvWTU
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Hi guys!

I'm a real n00bie and I'd love to experience 3D Vision but I'm a bit scared of making a wrong decision.

I've been given the specific choice between these 2 computers:

"RTX 2080 Super with an Intel i7-9700K"
or
"RTX 2080 Ti with an AMD Ryzen 9 3950X"

For 3D Vision should I steer away from the computer with the AMD Ryzen even though it has the better GPU?

The 2080 Ti sounds really nice but am I risking 3D Vision games crashing if I go with an AMD Ryzen 9 3950X?

Just a little scared because even though both computers are second hand good deals it's still a lot of money for someone like me.

Thanks for any help

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3DVnewbie wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:48 pm Hi guys!

I'm a real n00bie and I'd love to experience 3D Vision but I'm a bit scared of making a wrong decision.

I've been given the specific choice between these 2 computers:

"RTX 2080 Super with an Intel i7-9700K"
or
"RTX 2080 Ti with an AMD Ryzen 9 3950X"

For 3D Vision should I steer away from the computer with the AMD Ryzen even though it has the better GPU?

The 2080 Ti sounds really nice but am I risking 3D Vision games crashing if I go with an AMD Ryzen 9 3950X?

Just a little scared because even though both computers are second hand good deals it's still a lot of money for someone like me.

Thanks for any help
I would like to know this as well :)
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Long ago, gaming on Windows XP in 2D, using an AMD GPU, I remember that they released a "Dual Core Optimizer" that really boosted performance in games.
https://www.onecomputerguy.com/amd-dual-core-optimizer

I imagine that something similar exists in their current drivers to leverage additional cores if possible.

I bought a 5800X recently because of it's PCIe 4.0 support, better thermals and lower power consumption on a smaller die. I like it, but have not used it very
much yet. Also, Intel seems to have way more security issues than AMD and the patches for those have a performance penalty. Intel currently has 242 publicly
disclosed vulnerabilities, while AMD has only 16.
https://www.tomshardware.com/features/amd-vs-intel-cpus

Alder Lake will finally bring a die shrink to 10nm for Intel with PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 support, probably Q4 this year. Current Intel CPUs are 14nm whereas AMD
are 7nm. DDR5 might release this year as well, but issues around the world will likely delay it until 2022. Like the ongoing drought in Taiwan, causing chip manufacturers to truck in water, Samsung and other chip makers were hit hard by the bad winter storm and resulting power loses in Texas (USA), plus there was a 1 minute power outage at Samsung that caused a major hiccup. TSMC also suffered a power loss this month.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/202 ... ply-chain/
https://www.techpowerup.com/262566/minu ... m-and-nand
https://wccftech.com/tsmc-plant-hit-by- ... -expected/
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/3 ... ufacturing

A good source for upcoming tech
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/futu ... ases/#ddr5

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Re: AMD or Intel for 3D Vision

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Currently, AMD Ryzen 5 CPUs are 20% faster in 3D Vision than their Intel Counterparts. 11 series not yet tested.

DJ-RK and I did a detailed benchmark series here: viewtopic.php?f=105&t=25692
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