Meant to be Seen

Tullebob wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:38 am The story of viewing 3D blurays on Windows PC is a sad one. Having a big 3d bluray collection myself, I only view them on my stand alone blu-ray player and projector setup. I only use PC for 3D gaming purposes in 3d vision /geo11. The basic problem with PC and 3D blurays is a lack of proper software. The best that I have found is PowerDVD (versions up until 18, if I remember correctly), which supported 3D playback using 3d vision capable setups. But the experience was underwhelming to put it politely.. I understand that it is possible to view 3d movies on PC using VR headsets, but then the 3d bluray has to be converted to half resolution first (sbs), which is something I have not bothered to do. In sum, I would advice you to just go for a projector setup if you can. The 3d bluray experience can be kick ass with a large screen.

3DNovice wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:36 pm If your iso files are on your PC, then you must already have a solution.

Have you even tried your existing solution with Geo-11??

Depending on the back end of your existing player, you might not even need Geo-11, you'll just need the 3D Vision drivers installed.

BTW, WinDVD Pro 12 does supposedly support ISO playback
https://www.windvdpro.com/static/wdvd/d ... son-en.pdf

You can also build a HTPC fairly cheap, that will get the job done.

3DNovice wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:47 am

aofelix wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:22 am My current solution is using old NVIDIA drivers to playback 3D.

lol, that could mean anything, should I assume that you are using a Legacy Windows XP setup? Anyways, who cares. I was talking about the playback software.

The link Tullebob gave seems like an awesome alternative going forward, no sense in using a high dollar, high heat, high power consuming GPU to play back some ripped content that has been degraded from being compressed.

CPU integrated graphics have been sufficient for this task for years, though I think only Intel supported stereoscopic video playback (at least on older SKUs).

Tullebob wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:20 am If you are looking for the BEST QUALITY solution for playing 3d bluray (ISO or discs) on PC, then the following is the best that I have found. I use this method myself with extremely good results on a JVC projector, using MadVR as the video processor for the 3d framepacked video. I think that even James Cameron would approve of the resulting 3D image

(a somewhat more user friendly solution is to use the Vero 4k solution pasted above, but then you will be missing out on MadVR videoprocessing of 3d framepacked content)

Steps for installation:

1) Ensure that you have 3D vision properly set up (there are guides on this forum on how to do this). This step MUST be in place before the next steps.
2) Download and install MPC-HC (media player) and MadVR (video processing software). Follow this guide here; https://www.avforums.com/threads/guide- ... r.2030649/
3) Install the external LAV filters that the guide (mentioned in step 2) talks about (also uninstall/delete the original filters, as mentioned in the guide). This is essential for a correct install.
4) Configure MadVR to you liking. Basically max out everything that your GPU allows. 1080p 3d framepacking video benefits relatively significantly from the crazy good processing of MadVR. MadVR adds more "pop" and clarity to the image. The image quality is in fact better than what the very best Blu-ray players available are able to provide! I have compared the MadVR image to the image of my Panasonic UB9000 player with the Avatar 3d bluray and there is no doubt - MadVR wins, hands down.
5) Use receiver/projector as the primary display in Windows. Open a 3d blu-ray iso or disc on MPC-HC and go fullscreen -> the projector will then recoginse the signal as full framepacked 3D with video processed by MadVR. The image will then be as good as it gets with your display.
6) Please note that if you are to use this solution to play back 3d bluray discs, you will need software to make windows recognise/read the discs as such. I recommend AnyDVD for that purpose (brilliant sofware). If you are just going to playback 3d bluray isos, you dont need any such additional software. Please note, however, that the commercial marked for 3d bluray is a preciously small one - please support the films you like by buying the original 3d blu-ray discs! The marked needs all the support it can get, now with physical media essentially dying out - with 3d bluray being just a supersmall portion of an allready small physical media marked. By buying discs, the likelyhood increases that we will see future 3d bluray releases of major titles such as Avatar 2 and Dune Part 2.
7) For me this combination of MPC-HC and MadVR works 100% and is super reliable and provides amazing results that would not be any better with a MadVR Envy Extreme !
8) Please note - as described above - that I do not use my 3d vision monitor as the playback monitor for 3d framepacked content. I only use my projector. However, the solution should work also for 3d vision monitor playback (but I have not tested that myself.

Good luck - and enjoy!

aofelix wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:08 am

Tullebob wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:20 am If you are looking for the BEST QUALITY solution for playing 3d bluray (ISO or discs) on PC, then the following is the best that I have found. I use this method myself with extremely good results on a JVC projector, using MadVR as the video processor for the 3d framepacked video. I think that even James Cameron would approve of the resulting 3D image

(a somewhat more user friendly solution is to use the Vero 4k solution pasted above, but then you will be missing out on MadVR videoprocessing of 3d framepacked content)

Steps for installation:

1) Ensure that you have 3D vision properly set up (there are guides on this forum on how to do this). This step MUST be in place before the next steps.
2) Download and install MPC-HC (media player) and MadVR (video processing software). Follow this guide here; https://www.avforums.com/threads/guide- ... r.2030649/
3) Install the external LAV filters that the guide (mentioned in step 2) talks about (also uninstall/delete the original filters, as mentioned in the guide). This is essential for a correct install.
4) Configure MadVR to you liking. Basically max out everything that your GPU allows. 1080p 3d framepacking video benefits relatively significantly from the crazy good processing of MadVR. MadVR adds more "pop" and clarity to the image. The image quality is in fact better than what the very best Blu-ray players available are able to provide! I have compared the MadVR image to the image of my Panasonic UB9000 player with the Avatar 3d bluray and there is no doubt - MadVR wins, hands down.
5) Use receiver/projector as the primary display in Windows. Open a 3d blu-ray iso or disc on MPC-HC and go fullscreen -> the projector will then recoginse the signal as full framepacked 3D with video processed by MadVR. The image will then be as good as it gets with your display.
6) Please note that if you are to use this solution to play back 3d bluray discs, you will need software to make windows recognise/read the discs as such. I recommend AnyDVD for that purpose (brilliant sofware). If you are just going to playback 3d bluray isos, you dont need any such additional software. Please note, however, that the commercial marked for 3d bluray is a preciously small one - please support the films you like by buying the original 3d blu-ray discs! The marked needs all the support it can get, now with physical media essentially dying out - with 3d bluray being just a supersmall portion of an allready small physical media marked. By buying discs, the likelyhood increases that we will see future 3d bluray releases of major titles such as Avatar 2 and Dune Part 2.
7) For me this combination of MPC-HC and MadVR works 100% and is super reliable and provides amazing results that would not be any better with a MadVR Envy Extreme !
8) Please note - as described above - that I do not use my 3d vision monitor as the playback monitor for 3d framepacked content. I only use my projector. However, the solution should work also for 3d vision monitor playback (but I have not tested that myself.

Good luck - and enjoy!

Thank you mate. This is exactly what I do at the moment but instead I use MPC-BE. The only issue I have is I have to stay on old drivers which have 3D vision setup. Which driver are you on please?
Glad to meet another MADVR fan

Tullebob wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:43 am

aofelix wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:08 am

Tullebob wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:20 am If you are looking for the BEST QUALITY solution for playing 3d bluray (ISO or discs) on PC, then the following is the best that I have found. I use this method myself with extremely good results on a JVC projector, using MadVR as the video processor for the 3d framepacked video. I think that even James Cameron would approve of the resulting 3D image

(a somewhat more user friendly solution is to use the Vero 4k solution pasted above, but then you will be missing out on MadVR videoprocessing of 3d framepacked content)

Steps for installation:

1) Ensure that you have 3D vision properly set up (there are guides on this forum on how to do this). This step MUST be in place before the next steps.
2) Download and install MPC-HC (media player) and MadVR (video processing software). Follow this guide here; https://www.avforums.com/threads/guide- ... r.2030649/
3) Install the external LAV filters that the guide (mentioned in step 2) talks about (also uninstall/delete the original filters, as mentioned in the guide). This is essential for a correct install.
4) Configure MadVR to you liking. Basically max out everything that your GPU allows. 1080p 3d framepacking video benefits relatively significantly from the crazy good processing of MadVR. MadVR adds more "pop" and clarity to the image. The image quality is in fact better than what the very best Blu-ray players available are able to provide! I have compared the MadVR image to the image of my Panasonic UB9000 player with the Avatar 3d bluray and there is no doubt - MadVR wins, hands down.
5) Use receiver/projector as the primary display in Windows. Open a 3d blu-ray iso or disc on MPC-HC and go fullscreen -> the projector will then recoginse the signal as full framepacked 3D with video processed by MadVR. The image will then be as good as it gets with your display.
6) Please note that if you are to use this solution to play back 3d bluray discs, you will need software to make windows recognise/read the discs as such. I recommend AnyDVD for that purpose (brilliant sofware). If you are just going to playback 3d bluray isos, you dont need any such additional software. Please note, however, that the commercial marked for 3d bluray is a preciously small one - please support the films you like by buying the original 3d blu-ray discs! The marked needs all the support it can get, now with physical media essentially dying out - with 3d bluray being just a supersmall portion of an allready small physical media marked. By buying discs, the likelyhood increases that we will see future 3d bluray releases of major titles such as Avatar 2 and Dune Part 2.
7) For me this combination of MPC-HC and MadVR works 100% and is super reliable and provides amazing results that would not be any better with a MadVR Envy Extreme !
8) Please note - as described above - that I do not use my 3d vision monitor as the playback monitor for 3d framepacked content. I only use my projector. However, the solution should work also for 3d vision monitor playback (but I have not tested that myself.

Good luck - and enjoy!

Thank you mate. This is exactly what I do at the moment but instead I use MPC-BE. The only issue I have is I have to stay on old drivers which have 3D vision setup. Which driver are you on please?
Glad to meet another MADVR fan

This is a common problem for all 3D vision users, regardless of whether you are using 3D vision to play games or 3D films. People have different solutions to this problem. I can only speak for myself.

I personally hate DDU/reinstalling drivers every single time I want to perform a specific task. To avoid this, I have therefore set up a range of "single-purpose" SSD's with different Windows versions and 3D vision drivers that I can choose from a boot selector. I have a win7 drive with driver 425.31, a Win 10 drive specifically for running Vulkan 3D games (Doom eternal etc), a Win 10 drive specifically for VR, etc etc. For work/2d purposes I have a Win 10 drive with latest build and latest Nvidia driver.

Then I just boot directly into the OS/driver system that I need for the particular purpose I want to fulfill that day.

For 3D films, I use;
- Windows 10 Pro v 1809 - I have used the Sledgehammer utility to ensure that no updates are enforced on this install.
- 3D vision driver 425.31. This was the last main driver release with 3D vision support from Nvidia and works flawlessly for me.

So, it is up to you how to deal with the issue. Basically, you either have to create separate drives, like me, or you will have to DDU/reinstall 3d vision after you have used your computer for something that required the latest Nvidia drivers.

With respect to Geo-11, in the context of current drivers, this can be used to play Geo-11 fixed games only. As far as I know at least, you will still have to have the old 3D vision drivers installed if you want to use your computer to play back framepacked 3d content via MadVR. Geo-11 is a solution for games only, so it will not help you with respect to movies.

But keeping a separate install for 3d film purpose is, in my view, a small sacrifice to make given the crazy good cost/benefit tradeoff here with respect to the video quality. The hardware alternative to acheive the same level of video quality would be to have a separate external stand alone bluray player that feeds the 3d framepacking content into a MadVR Envy with then again feeds the video on to your display. And then we are talking big bucks - for no additional video quality gain. I guess an alternative could also be to build a custom 3d vision HTPC and try to set up playback via Kodi. But I, for my purposes will not bother to do that, as I am very happy with my current set up.

Anyway, hope this answers your questions. Also, for the good of the 3d vision community, please post any experiences/good tips that you would like to share with others on 3d framepacking via MadVR. We (few) 3D nerds must share knowledge between us

Tullebob wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:22 am Sounds like a good plan! One you have everything set up and the system is stable, you can enjoy 3D vision games and 3D MVC films without any further stress Good luck with the new rigs. Lets just hope there will be plenty more 3D blu-ray releases on the horizon!

Also, keep in mind, if you want to have the easiest way possible of playing 3d blu-rays, a dedicated 3d blu-ray player, like the Panasonic UB9000 or Oppo 203 is a really good alternative. The picture quality of the UB9000 is very similar to MadVR (without any sharpening applied). The UB9000 also plays very nicely with JVC projectors.

Tullebob wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:22 am Sounds like a good plan! One you have everything set up and the system is stable, you can enjoy 3D vision games and 3D MVC films without any further stress Good luck with the new rigs. Lets just hope there will be plenty more 3D blu-ray releases on the horizon!

Also, keep in mind, if you want to have the easiest way possible of playing 3d blu-rays, a dedicated 3d blu-ray player, like the Panasonic UB9000 or Oppo 203 is a really good alternative. The picture quality of the UB9000 is very similar to MadVR (without any sharpening applied). The UB9000 also plays very nicely with JVC projectors.

Tullebob wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:58 am Sorry for the long time to reply. I have now tested on BOTH win10 and win7 setup, both running stable and tried-and-tested 3d vision setups using driver 425.31. I can confirm that playing 3d films on 3d vision monitor does not work properly. I have not had time to do extensive testing to ascertain the cause of the issue, but on Win10 there seems to be issues getting 3d to trigger in the first place. This result is somewhat surprising to me, given that the setup works so flawlessly on my JVC NZ8 projector. If I have time, I might do some additional testing. But I do have some prior experience with PowerDVD and 3d blu-ray and the experience was underwhelming to say the least. I just dont think that 3D vision was ever designed to provide a good 3d bluray experience.