Geo-11 DX9 Mode Games Testing on 511.79

[thebigdogma]

Per bo3bber's request, the testing begins on my 3DV rig with 511.79...

Kao the Kangaroo: Game playable, but in anaglyph
Batman: Arkham Knight: Game playable, but in anaglyph
PGA Tour 21: Game playable, but in anaglyph
Jedi:Fallen Order: Game playable, but in anaglyph
Castle of Illusion: Game playable, but in anaglyph
God of War: Game playable, but in anaglyph
Black the Fall: Game playable, but in anaglyph

Sensing a (new) theme here ...

Will update this list as testing continues.

[RAGEdemon]

Thanks thebigdogma!

Adding results for 512.15:

Psychonauts 2 DX9 via Losti's UE fix = No Go.
DX11 or native SBS output = Perfect

[thebigdogma]

Just realized I might be missing something...

per bo3bber's instructions on the blog...

"nvidia_dx9: Works on any driver. Mostly. Requires NVidia 3D Vision Driver. Works best on 452.06 with upscaling=0. Any driver past 452.06 requires game to be in fullscreen mode."

Requires NVidia 3D Vision Driver... If we are testing dx9 mode on latest drivers and on series 30XX cards, do we need to do something to have the 3DV driver included as part of the latest drivers, or is it already present?

And, if it isn't present, what do I need to do?

Thanks

[BazzaLB]

Just realized I might be missing something...

per bo3bber's instructions on the blog...

"nvidia_dx9: Works on any driver. Mostly. Requires NVidia 3D Vision Driver. Works best on 452.06 with upscaling=0. Any driver past 452.06 requires game to be in fullscreen mode."

Requires NVidia 3D Vision Driver... If we are testing dx9 mode on latest drivers and on series 30XX cards, do we need to something to have the 3DV driver included as part of the latest drivers, or is it already present?

You’ll have to add it using either HelixVision or 3DFM. I tried it but I have a 3DTV meaning it activates 3DTVPlay but there is no way to register the TV to Nvidia (as there is no setup wizard) therefore all my dx9 output ends up being anaglyph, even the nvidia 3D test app. So, I just removed the 3DVision driver and will stick with SBS/TAB. I’m on 511.65 btw with 3080.

[thebigdogma]

Thanks... just added it to 511.79 and tried Black the Fall, since that has worked for others, but it displays in anaglyph.

[bo3bber]

Interesting results there. I can add that Arkham Knight is working here without any problems at all, in DX9 output mode using the game in fullscreen. Driver 512.95, DCH. Win10 21H1. Steam version.

I can see this is fairly confusing, but I'm not really sure how to make the instructions more clear. There is no point in using either nvidia_dx11 or nvidia_dx9 if you don't have 3D Vision hardware like a PG278QR monitor + Nvidia glasses. The entire point of those modes is to keep your 3D Vision hardware running, like monitors and projectors using the NVidia glasses. Using these modes for 3D TV doesn't make any sense because they always support TAB/SBS.

[thebigdogma]

One other note that might be of interest...

Once I installed the 3DV driver in 511.79, I thought I would test my old Rift S with a few of the games that I know work well in TAB to see if the 3DV driver could peacefully co-exist with a VR headset as a secondary display. Virtual Desktop apparently does not like the 3DV driver hanging about... locked up all mouse and controller movement, but not the keyboard, and couldn't get the games to have screen priority. Had to sign-out of Windows in each case.

[BazzaLB]

Interesting results there. I can add that Arkham Knight is working here without any problems at all, in DX9 output mode using the game in fullscreen. Driver 512.95, DCH. Win10 21H1. Steam version.

I can see this is fairly confusing, but I'm not really sure how to make the instructions more clear. There is no point in using either nvidia_dx11 or nvidia_dx9 if you don't have 3D Vision hardware like a PG278QR monitor + Nvidia glasses. The entire point of those modes is to keep your 3D Vision hardware running, like monitors and projectors using the NVidia glasses. Using these modes for 3D TV doesn't make any sense because they always support TAB/SBS.

I think your instructions are clear I really was only trying 3DVision (3DTV Play) because 1280x720 frame packed looks slightly better on my TV than SBS/TAB. In addition to this, I wanted to see if having the driver installed fixed my issues with Arkham Knight (it doesn't). AK is the only title I have and play that is having issues though. Others are working fantastically in SBS/TAB. Wreckfest is awesome in 3D now I can actually play it at full 60fps albeit SBS/TAB only.

[Necropants]

Have a similar issue with the games I have tried. Unless I use 452.06 with 3dvision on in the NCP all games crash silently.
Can you even add the 3d driver through 3dfixmanager on drivers later than 452.06?
More to try I guess.

Also as I reported in my tekken thread strangely sometimes toggling the debug controls on and then off after a successful boot often gets things working otherwise.

[RAGEdemon]

I thought I would test my old Rift S with a few of the games that I know work well in TAB to see if the 3DV driver could peacefully co-exist with a VR headset as a secondary display.

WMR also has issues co-esisting with 3D Visioin driver, however if you disable 3DVision, it works fine. When using 3DV, I unplug my VR power.

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I too am now confused:

My understanding was that the DX9 path is used for 3DMovies etc, and doesn't specifically require the 3DV drivers, which I have traditionally used with StereoScopic player's software pageflippping mode to play 3D movies. I am probably wrong.

"nvidia_dx9: Works on any driver. Mostly. Requires NVidia 3D Vision Driver. Works best on 452.06 with upscaling=0. Any driver past 452.06 requires game to be in fullscreen mode."

To me, with the context of past experience with various drivers, this meant:

nvidia_dx9: Works on any driver, Mostly; Requires NVidia 3D Vision Driver to work best on 452.06 with upscaling=0 (425.31 to 452.22 supported with 3D Vision drivers).
Any driver past 452.06, which doesn't support the 3DV drivers, need Fullscreen to work.

However, as thebigdogma points out, this is better translated as:

nvidia_dx9: Works on any driver. Mostly. Requires NVidia 3D Vision Driver in all cases.
Works best on 452.06 with upscaling=0. Any driver past 452.06 also required 3DVision drivers installed, and also requires game to be in fullscreen mode.

I had got so used to the idea that any driver after 452.22 doesn't work with 3DVision drivers that this second more correct interpretation didn't occur to me to be valid

Thanks for the clarification - indeed, this is important.

[thebigdogma]

In trying to see why all of the games on my list above are displaying in Anaglyph, I discovered that my emitter is not powering-on (flashing red when removing and re-inserting the USB cable.)

Any thoughts/ideas? It is only an issue since starting Geo-11 testing for these DX9 games and injecting 3DV drivers via 3DFM into 511.79.

[3DNovice]

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[thebigdogma]

My emitter will power down after awhile if not used and some dx9 games will not wake it. To wake it, I just open the 3D Vision preview pack 1 via a shortcut on my desktop or you can open a jps/pns file

In some dx9 games, the emitter stays glowing bright green upon exiting. 3D appears to be off, it just that the light seems to be stuck on in "bright" mode. The only way to get it to dim, is to reboot.

Also look in Device Manger, if there's an issue with extract the 3D Vision USB driver files, then try finding nvstusb.inf and then navigate to it via the update driver feature in Device Manager/Browse my computer for driver software


425.31 W10 1909 VG278QR

Thanks. I tried waking it through the preview pack and the image flashed and tried to kick-in the emitter, but the image immediately went to anaglyph. And, the emitter driver can't be found - guess that isn't part of the 3DFM 3DV driver injection back into newer drivers(?)

[3DNovice]

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[RAGEdemon]

Attached USB driver. Unzip folder. Right click inf and click "install".

You may have to uninstall corrupted/bad drivers - check device manager.

If all else fails - DDU.

[thebigdogma]

Thanks! Will give it a go.

Oops... spoke to soon. Folder is empty.

Also... just checked my bringback 3dv folder and found it... also empty. What am I missing here?

[RAGEdemon]

Strange - try it now; recompressed to zip.

[thebigdogma]

That worked... thanks again. Will install and give it a go shortly.

[thebigdogma]

Well...

Good news: Emitter solid green and DM reports that the device/driver is operating properly.

Bad news: games still show in anaglyph and 3DFM reports that the emitter is not connected.

Not sure if this is relevant; NVCP shows my 3DV monitor as the active display type, but I can't change depth settings in NVCP - always reverts back to 20% (I believe a tell-tale sign that it is in anaglyph mode.)

[BazzaLB]

This is the exact same problem I have with my 511.65 driver and 3DTVPlay with 3DVision driver injected via 3DFM. I can set 3DMode to 3DTVPlay in nv control panel. Everything looks like it should work but I just get anaglyph output and the depth setting always reverts to default 20%.

In my case I figured it was because I was unable to run the 3D Setup Wizard and therefore the 3DVision driver never really registered my display properly and therefore just defaults to anaglyph. But not sure about that tbh as I also copied all the Nvidia 3D settings from the registry of my other machine including the monitor type etc but no success.

Luckily I dont need this mode and can just use SBS so gave up my dx9 testing for geo-11.

[RAGEdemon]

Might I humbly suggest using DDU to clean from safe mode, and then using Robert256's Bring Back 3D instead of 3DFM?

Losti's automated tool may help:

viewtopic.php?t=25361

[thebigdogma]

This is the exact same problem I have with my 511.65 driver and 3DTVPlay with 3DVision driver injected via 3DFM. I can set 3DMode to 3DTVPlay in nv control panel. Everything looks like it should work but I just get anaglyph output and the depth setting always reverts to default 20%.

In my case I figured it was because I was unable to run the 3D Setup Wizard and therefore the 3DVision driver never really registered my display properly and therefore just defaults to anaglyph. But not sure about that tbh as I also copied all the Nvidia 3D settings from the registry of my other machine including the monitor type etc but no success.

Luckily I dont need this mode and can just use SBS so gave up my dx9 testing for geo-11.

Unfortunately, I am close to throwing in the towel for now as well and concentrating on the 3DTV/VR modes on my 3070 for my contribution to Geo-11 testing.

BTW: I can't activate the setup wizard either.

[thebigdogma]

Might I humbly suggest using DDU to clean from safe mode, and then using Bring Back 3D instead of 3DFM?

I will try, but think my time at the moment better spent testing via the SBS/TAB/3DTV/VR route... it has the benefit of giving me at least a taste of accomplishing something.

[bo3bber]

The DX9 output mode is only for 3D Vision hardware. I don't really know how the 3D TV Play software worked with the DX9 part of the 3D Vision Driver. It was never clear to me if it was the same component, or something else. It seems like based on your experience here it is something else. As a general idea I think we don't give a damn about 3D TV Play because it's another Nvidia freak-ball piece of sh_t that barely worked when it was maintained. And any 3D TV will handle TAB or SBS and that's a much better path for us. Please correct me if some 3D TVs need alternate outputs.

Just to clarify your first list- the fact that you see them in red/blue Discover mode means that the DX9 output mode is working correctly in those games.

[Chtiblue]

And any 3D TV will handle TAB or SBS and that's a much better path for us. Please correct me if some 3D TVs need alternate outputs.

Yep interlaced mode

[bo3bber]

And any 3D TV will handle TAB or SBS and that's a much better path for us. Please correct me if some 3D TVs need alternate outputs.

Yep interlaced mode

Interlaced was part of 3D TV Play? or is that just part of our missing outputs? We can add interlaced without much trouble I think.

One thing 3D TV Play brought was frame-packed 3D for HDMI 3D. 720p@60, 1080p@24. Those are mildly interesting, but even TAB at 1080p is going to be a superior experience to either of those modes.

[Dazzawill]

I have read all this post and I can perform SBS, as my projector/monitor supports it, however I do not have 3Dvision Hardware and glasses. I use DLP link, so I need to know, if possible, how to do a DX9 Game on 5XX drivers, without using 3dtvplay. As I understand it, a DX9 game is 3D patched using DX9 DLL's so I would assume you cant use GEO11 to override it, therefore, you cant select SBS, or can you? Please explain if its possible. Thanks guys.

[RAGEdemon]

Install 5xxx driver
install fix
install geo-11 on top, don't overrite the d3dx.ini
set output to sbs in d3dx.ini

Activate dlp link set to sbs on projector.

That should be all - however your resolution is cut in half for the same gpu performance.



I presume your projector also supports frame sequential.

An ideal output would be dx9-like universal page-flipped output (also called frame sequential; similar to frame packed). This would give the best compatability and performance with our hardware - it would be full resolution without discarding half the pixels...

@bo3bber, would it be difficult to make a software frame sequential output not relying on 3dv hardware? No need to activate 3d glasses - dlp link does that for us.

[BazzaLB]

I think his problem is that he wants to run DX9 games d3d9.dll (not just dx9 output path) which wont be possible on drivers 5xx because geo-11 is DX11 only (d3d11.dll) and its only geo-11 that will give him the option of SBS/TAB.

[Dazzawill]

Thanks for your detailed response guys. I have no issue with the limitations of SBS, however, BazzaLB is 100% correct in what I or others are trying to do, as I do not see how I can run DX9 games in SBS on any driver. I need to use 3dtvplay at 1280x720x60 as I do now on 452.06. This is because DX9 fixes do not include SBS options in the ini file, nor does it appear that 5XX supports 3DTV Play properly so I may be still stuck on old drivers. Still though, the advances made with Geo-11 are outstanding. Thanks to all involved.

[thebigdogma]

The DX9 output mode is only for 3D Vision hardware. I don't really know how the 3D TV Play software worked with the DX9 part of the 3D Vision Driver. It was never clear to me if it was the same component, or something else. It seems like based on your experience here it is something else. As a general idea I think we don't give a damn about 3D TV Play because it's another Nvidia freak-ball piece of sh_t that barely worked when it was maintained. And any 3D TV will handle TAB or SBS and that's a much better path for us. Please correct me if some 3D TVs need alternate outputs.

Just to clarify your first list- the fact that you see them in red/blue Discover mode means that the DX9 output mode is working correctly in those games.

Thanks bo3bber.

For clarity's sake, the list I generated at the top of this thread is based on my experience using the 3DV rig in my signature.

[RAGEdemon]

Kids are asleep; time for a deep dive:

TL;DR: Success! (Psychonauts 2)

-- DX9 mode is confirmed working with 512.15 on 3DV hardware.

-- DSR and AI DSR both work flawlesly - amazing - I am, for the first time, getting DSR 2560x1600 Image quality at AI DSR 1920x1200, which is literally doubling my performance! Thanks for buying me a free RTX 4090 guys!

-- The red message can no longer be disabled, either through 3DFM, nor manually replacing nvstres.dll / nvstres64.dll files. I personally need to disable this due to custom resolutions in place - it is not something originally triggered by geo-11, however geo-11's install does seem to prevent getting rid of it.

-- geo-11 FPS counter no longer appears.

-- nVidia Sharpening only happening in one eye. Someone complained about reshade only working in one eye in another thread - probably related.

-- Navigating around the nvidia control panel is very slow.

Procedure, thanks to thebigdogma's many insights:
-Install latest drivers
-Use 3DFM to inject 3DV drivers
-Ensure pyramid is working - if not, reinstall 3DV drivers via 3DFM

Quick test:
Working: The stereoscopic test will be 2D, but not anaglyph.
Not working: The stereoscopic test will be in anaglyph.

Finally:
-Install a fix
-Overwrite all except d3dx.ini with geo-11 driver
-Edit force_stereo=2
-Edit d3dxdm.ini to nvidia_dx9.

Launch game!


Requests:
1. Please can someone tell me how we now disable the red message?
2. It would be a good idea to emphasise that we need to inject 3DV drivers into the new drivers. Clarification on how best to do this would be helpful.

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Edit: got around red message by using moded inf after disabling windows 11 signature verification. It is interesting, however, that the message appears even with the dll files replaced... academically wonder where it's coming from...

[BazzaLB]

Just want to add this injecting 3DV into later drivers does not permit use of 3DTVPlay using anything other than anaglyph (Which is fine as we can use SBS/TAB anyway)

[chuppy44]

Thanks for your detailed response guys. I have no issue with the limitations of SBS, however, BazzaLB is 100% correct in what I or others are trying to do, as I do not see how I can run DX9 games in SBS on any driver. I need to use 3dtvplay at 1280x720x60 as I do now on 452.06. This is because DX9 fixes do not include SBS options in the ini file, nor does it appear that 5XX supports 3DTV Play properly so I may be still stuck on old drivers. Still though, the advances made with Geo-11 are outstanding. Thanks to all involved.

Just want to add this injecting 3DV into later drivers does not permit use of 3DTVPlay using anything other than anaglyph (Which is fine as we can use SBS/TAB anyway)

3DTV Play is still working for me on 511.79 w/ 3080 card in DX9 games. These posts had me worried for a minute. In my case when it would only show anaglyph that is fixed by setting the 3D display as the only display, though this was always the case on Win10 for me even before new drivers.

That said, it would be nice to have something like geo-11 for older games as well so Nvidia can be ditched for good.

[BazzaLB]

3DTV Play is still working for me on 511.79 w/ 3080 card in DX9 games. These posts had me worried for a minute. In my case when it would only show anaglyph that is fixed by setting the 3D display as the only display, though this was always the case on Win10 for me even before new drivers.

That said, it would be nice to have something like geo-11 for older games as well so Nvidia can be ditched for good.

hmmm, interesting. I only have 1 display anyway which is my SonyTV. Had you previously had 3DTVPlay setup on your computer and then upgrade to 3080 (Thereby somehow your previous setup being recognised)? Otherwise I cant see what the difference might be there.

[chuppy44]

No. This is on an entirely new PC. Though 3DTVPlay has to be force installed w/ 3DFM. The normal setup no longer works.

[BazzaLB]

No. This is on an entirely new PC. Though 3DTVPlay has to be force installed w/ 3DFM. The normal setup no longer works.

Yeah, I forced installed using 3DFM but all I could get out of my display was anaglyph.. The driver CP even let me pick 3DTVPlay as my 3d output (as well as checkerboard). Oh well.. no idea what the difference could be. May have another play.. Thanks for the info.

[chuppy44]

So it gives you anaglyph when something other than anaglyph is selected in the control panel? Never had that happen. Though on my display it does have to have an EDID override to get 3D resolutions to show up so 3D can kick in.

[BazzaLB]

So it gives you anaglyph when something other than anaglyph is selected in the control panel? Never had that happen. Though on my display it does have to have an EDID override to get 3D resolutions to show up so 3D can kick in.

Yeah, everything looks like it is perfectly fine in the NV control panel "Setup stereoscopic 3D" section. "3DTV Play" is selected in the "Stereoscopic 3D Display Type" dropdown and it even displays the "3DTV Play" badge next to it. Looks all normal, but any nvidia_dx9 output from geo-11 just produces anaglyph output. Even 3D resolutions appear fine with no EDID hacks or anything. weird. Not an issue mind you as SBS/TAB suits me fine anyway, but a curiosity none the less.

[RAGEdemon]

In the old days, people upgraded their 3DTVplay displays to fully supported 3D Vision, by using modded inf files in the control panel. Is that not possible? You will have to temporarily disable driver signature verification.

Last night, I did that with my display to get rid of that red message - it worked well.

I attach a modded inf (I think by joker) - it has full resolution active field sequential 3DVision support up to 4k. After installation, you can mod its timings with CRU for a better fit to your display.

Not an issue mind you as SBS/TAB suits me fine anyway, but a curiosity none the less.

Mate, TAB/SBS is literally cutting your GPU performance in half. With DX9 out, you will be able to run things at double the resolution, or the same resolution as SBS/TAB, but double the performance - it will be like a free generational GPU upgrade.