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3DNovice wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:17 am Ampere GPUs will be PCI Express 4.0 and will hopefully work with 3D Vision.
SSDs on 4.0 will be quite fast.
Intel does not support 4.0 currently, but will in 2021.With a die shrink, thermals and power to performance ratio will be much better than their top current CPU.
AMD currently supports 4.0.

That's my 2 cents, and all I know on this matter.

Muojo wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:08 am
So what you say is to wait for Ryzen 4000 then?

bo3bber wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:20 pm It's also worth noting that for VR experiences in particular, that 90% of them are currently single threaded. So a massively multi-threaded CPU is useless for improving VR. Only go with huge numbers of cores if you have other workloads that can benefit like video processing or software development.

I'm sure there will be objections to my statement about VR being single threaded. 90% of the games built for VR right now are made using either Unity or UE4. Neither of those game engines supports multithreading in the current generation. UE4 has some limited support to improve the drawing, but nothing for the game logic itself. Unity has essentially nothing even for drawing. The game logic needs to run at 90 fps too- to capture your location, where you are looking, physics, and so on. It's single threaded.

There are some notable exceptions where the devs do the extra work to bring genuine multithreading to their gameplay, but the vast majority of UE4 and Unity devs hit the big Build button and let the tool do whatever it does.

Clearly this will change over time, UE4 and Unity both want to have DX12 and Vulkan at highest performance. Your crystal ball may be different than mine. Mine says that for two to three years of use for a new CPU, that IPC will remain king, not cores.


Caveat: I know Unity very well, but have looked only briefly at UE4. Still you can see this on your own system. Run any regular VR experience and look at CPU usage in Task Manager.

RAGEdemon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:03 pm Zen 3 4000 series desktop at the end of this year. Intel 7nm in 21/22, as well as Zen 4 5000 series. I will personally be waiting till 21/22 and buy the best of intel 7nm/Zen4 5000 with DDR5 support. I appreciate that people can't wait, but indeed now is a bad time to buy.

If I absolutely had to buy today from the above choices for 3DV especially, 10700k which comes clocked to 5.3GHz boost as standard, would win my money.

I don't know who is telling you that AMD is better, but it's not based on fact. Price vs performance? Yes. Performance vs power? Yes. Likeability over intel's unethical shenanigans? Yes. Raw gaming performance, especially for CPU limited 3D Vision? Hell no.

RAGEdemon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:54 pm There is another route available for those of us on z170 / z270 boards - a unified hacking tool has become available which can automatically modify most [all] bioses from these boards to enable support for more modern CPUs such as the 8C16T 9900k, 8c8t 9700k, and 6c12t 8700k:



https://www.win-raid.com/t3987f16-TOOL- ... -bios.html

There is a restriction on ASUS boards where they can only take <16 threads, but even in those circumstances, crossflashable biosses are available for full 8c16t support.

There are also options regarding the modification you choose - e.g., you can connect/isolate pins on the new CPU, or you could solder a couple of connections on your motherboard | you can use ASUS flashback, or you can get an SPI programmer for a couple of dollars with detailed instructions describing how to use it to flash your new bios.

There is always an element of risk, but for some this might be a viable path. For example, one could sell their 7700k for £150 and buy a 9900k for £250 - a relatively measly £100 has just doubled your core count and brought your 4+ year old system into trading blows with todays highest end cpu's for gaming; - however, their usefulness for 3DV with its core bug would be questionable of course.

RAGEdemon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:20 am Glad some will find it useful

Here is a great video which knowledgeable people have said they followed, to go through the process. Some very valuable information in there...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hghT2iOvWTU

3DVnewbie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:48 pm Hi guys!

I'm a real n00bie and I'd love to experience 3D Vision but I'm a bit scared of making a wrong decision.

I've been given the specific choice between these 2 computers:

"RTX 2080 Super with an Intel i7-9700K"
or
"RTX 2080 Ti with an AMD Ryzen 9 3950X"

For 3D Vision should I steer away from the computer with the AMD Ryzen even though it has the better GPU?

The 2080 Ti sounds really nice but am I risking 3D Vision games crashing if I go with an AMD Ryzen 9 3950X?

Just a little scared because even though both computers are second hand good deals it's still a lot of money for someone like me.

Thanks for any help