Keeping Windows 10 v.1809 & Postponing 1903

[3DNovice]

I would suspect that Steam installed the new executables for Net or perhaps a game did during launch.

I recently did a clean install of W7 and was surprised to see that Steam kept updating re-distributables via my downloads.

h ttps://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/common_redist


BTW, 1809 is no longer available to download from the OP's link, 1909 is the only iso available.

[Enzel]

Which is the best way to stop the update from Windows 10 1809 as stated by P.C.Zen in the first post of this thread?
Local group policies or by registry metod?
Has anybody tested if it works?

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-stop ... windows-10

[whyme466]

In order to "stop" Windows update, I have been using update delay settings under Windows Update panel, local group policy (did not use registry method), and Metered connection setting under Network & Internet panel. This approach has been working well for some time, until some recent unwanted security (not feature) update crippled my 1809 system, requiring my mostly successful recovery using DISM with local USB backup.

[Necropants]

Make your system partition so small it can't update even if it wanted too. You can use a page file on the drive to achieve this. theres a bit of micromanaging, but its working well so far for me.

[3DNovice]

At time of writing you can still get a download of the Windows 10 1809 build direct from Microsoft by following the steps detailed here: https://pureinfotech.com/windows-10-1809-iso-download/

The Microsoft download reference by the link above, only has 1909 available.

Can anyone tell me where to get a W10 1809 version that is not malware?

[RAGEdemon]

Myself and a few others have 1909 fully working without problems.

The original reason for advising to stick with 1809 was that we didn't know if future windows builds/updates would be stable with 3DV or not. I think it's safe to say that as of 1909, things are still OK (at least for me and a few others who have tried it).

Is there a specific reason why you gents still want to stick with 1809?

[Robert256]

Myself and a few others have 1909 fully working without problems.

The original reason for advising to stick with 1809 was that we didn't know if future windows builds/updates would be stable with 3DV or not. I think it's safe to say that as of 1909, things are still OK (at least for me and a few others who have tried it).

Is there a specific reason why you gents still want to stick with 1809?

The only reason I can think of, is that from Win10 1903 and later, the drivers after 430.39 have to be patched and therefore are not signed anymore. Some anti-cheat software detects that and refuses to run certain games.

[schwing]

    I suppose if you had the ability to switch between the patched driver files and the original ones, then it would be less of a problem. Though I think the originals would have to be installed before doing any patching in the first place.

    Some persistent program that appears on Windows startup and minimizes to the system tray could allow for swapping them (like 3D Vision Eye Swapper), but you'd still have the problem of closing programs that are using the files.

[3DNovice]

Myself and a few others have 1909 fully working without problems.

Awesome, I was not aware of this, I only saw where it was mentioned that 1903 was working.

Is there a specific reason why you gents still want to stick with 1809?

No specific reason here, I just need W10 to use a Samsung Odyssey+
I figured I'd try it out, since it was so cheap. That way I could test out my VR legs
prior to buying something more costly. I'm prone to motion sickness in games with a low FOV.

[RAGEdemon]

Generally, I think people who have played S3d for years, will have a high tolerance to VR already built up...

I, for example, can play anything with full locomotion without sickness - thanks to, I believe, decades using S3d

[schwing]

I have to use dramamine for skyrim's mountain climbing but any game that has a quick turn option (45 degrees) like half-life alyx seem fine.

[Necropants]

Generally, I think people who have played S3d for years, will have a high tolerance to VR already built up...

I, for example, can play anything with full locomotion without sickness - thanks to, I believe, decades using S3d

I actually had intense motion sickness in most games until I started using S3D.
I think the affliction is weird and takes hold on people for various reasons. Sometimes fov, sometimes frame rate, sometimes depth or lack there of and sometimes simply because the UI or weapon bob animations.

[whyme466]

Has anyone tested 3DV with 2004 release yet (sounds like it may be releasing this month or next)?

RAGEdemon - which technique are you using to patch 3DV drivers? As long as my 1809 version remains stable, I have not found a reason to migrate to 1909, or use newer NVIDIA drivers - every Helixmod fix I have used works great with 1809/425.31. I update my second boot disk with latest drivers and OS for VR gaming...

[RAGEdemon]

I use Rober/Losti/Schwing's 'bring back 3DV' exe - problem free so far, thanks to those chaps.

My reasons for going 1909 are:
1. Sharpening
2. Practicality

More info if interested:
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The big reason to upgrade the drivers for me personally was that nVidia's sharpening was introduced after 425.30 - I make use of sharpening extensively, as my 3D projector's native resolution is lowly 800p DSR to 1600p. I never play online games so any cheat preventing games picking up on a hacked driver don't affect me. New drivers with updated performance for new games have also been released since 425.30, e.g. DLSS 2.0 recently, and as you have mentioned - VR Alyx game ready driver @ 445+.

I use my system for many things - work, entertainment, vr, gaming, browsing, socialising, etc. - I also do a lot of tweaking and would find it impractical to have a build specifically for 3DV and another build for everything else, switching between the two and keeping tweaks updated between both would be complex; when it can all be in the one build with no downsides.

Certainly there will come a day when I will be forced to have a separate build for 3DV, but I hope that day is far away.

[whyme466]

One thing you might consider doing is to periodically create a Windows backup (after you have stable/working Windows feature version update like 1909), using Windows Media Creation tool. For example, if 2004 version breaks 3DV, you have a stable version to return to. Note that the process of restoring an older version OS will probably end up deleting all the data on the disk partition containing the OS. At the point when an OS update breaks 3DV, it would probably be better to add a new SSD to your computer, partitioned into a small OS partition and a data partition. Install your last OS backup onto the appropriately sized OS partition on the new SSD - small, see Necropants comment above...

[RAGEdemon]

This is excellent advice - and I'll add to it - keep your backups OFFLINE!!, as opposed to attached to your system.

Yep, I already do full system drive images once every month, storing them offline once they are done - they have saved me countless times through drive failures, virus attacks, update corruptions, etc. And indeed it gives me the confidence to try out new windows builds (eventually, once they are out of beta) without gambling whether 3DV will break.

One nightmare scenario 2 years ago was when I was hit with ransomware - they encrypted all my data, INCLUDING MY BACKUPS because they were attached to the system. Luckily, my most important data was on the cloud, and again backed up on a laptop.

Nowadays, I have an external 1TB USB3 SSD which does full system drive backups within a few minutes, which I then physically disconnect - I learned that lesson the hard way.

Gentlemen, please don't make the same mistake I did - backup your data and keep it offline in case of ransomware / house fire / theft.

[zaibaker]

Make your system partition so small it can't update even if it wanted too. You can use a page file on the drive to achieve this. theres a bit of micromanaging, but its working well so far for me.

How large is your partition then?
It will help me to size a partition for this OS.

I'm curious, i'm downloading the last W10 now, because Virtual Desktop on Quest needs W8.1 and higher, so it's time for multi boot.

Edit:

Is there a version better than another about this problem of auto update?
I can buy Pro or Entreprise version if they are better for controling this.

[Dom]

There this site that popped up on the net: https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/technolog ... nload-tool
its a Microsoft download tool for ISO's directly from a Microsoft Link, I tried it and it works ok.

I have the downloader tool on my website for downloading too : https://cns-nynolyt.com/files/Windows-I ... loader.exe

[RAGEdemon]

If one must, why not simply disable all updates via group policy or registry?

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-stop ... windows-10

It's not my place to say, as all users are different, but in my humble opinion, the path that you gentlemen are on - limiting disk space, disabling updates, etc - will likely lead to more problems than any it attempts to solve.

Nevertheless, I wish y'all the best of luck! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[whyme466]

Note my prior comments in this discussion thread - I have been using the suggested group policy to disable update (along with metered connection and Windows update delay settings), but an unwanted update STILL managed to corrupt my 1809 OS. Creating a small disk partition for the OS to help restrict its ability to update makes good sense as another delaying step - and limits data loss during any OS re-install...

[RAGEdemon]

Whatever makes you happy, friend

There is apparently a known issue where Win10 updates regardless of whether you set group policy/edit registry or not - and here is the fix for that issue (and an explanation):

https://www.askvg.com/fix-how-to-stop-a ... indows-10/

I hope this helps some.

[Dom]

What about blocking the ip's and DNS like shown here: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/win ... bd605f7abe

When there is a firewall between the Windows Update agent and the Internet, the firewall might need to be configured to allow communication for the HTTP and HTTPS ports used for Windows Update. Windows Update agent uses port 80 for HTTP and port 443 for HTTPS to obtain updates.
If your organization does not allow the ports and protocols to be open to all addresses, you can restrict access to the following sites:

http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com
http://*.windowsupdate.microsoft.com
https://*.windowsupdate.microsoft.com
http://*.update.microsoft.com
https://*.update.microsoft.com
http://*.windowsupdate.com
http://download.windowsupdate.com
http://download.microsoft.com
http://*.download.windowsupdate.com
http://wustat.windows.com
http://ntservicepack.microsoft.com
https://*.ws.microsoft.com
http://*.ws.microsoft.com