Nvidia 3080 or 3080 TI 3D vision support using modded drivers

[3DNovice]

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[oneofthe8devilz]

Update:

Per Chris Yewdall, former DDD CEO (including TriDef Ignition), "Unfortunately the code was owned by the Australian subsidiaries of DDD and the liquidators of those business completed the wind up of both those entities earlier this year so the code no longer exists."

In this day and age where literally every individual is able to host his own SVN repository I seriously doubt that the Tridef 3D code just "ceased existing"...

The question now would be if we could get a hold of those former Australian subsidiaries of DDD.

[Lysander]

Update:

Per Chris Yewdall, former DDD CEO (including TriDef Ignition), "Unfortunately the code was owned by the Australian subsidiaries of DDD and the liquidators of those business completed the wind up of both those entities earlier this year so the code no longer exists."

In this day and age where literally every individual is able to host his own SVN repository I seriously doubt that the Tridef 3D code just "ceased existing"...

The question now would be if we could get a hold of those former Australian subsidiaries of DDD.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's gone. If it was a privately-hosted repo, it'd be very easy for it to just get decommissioned as part of the liquidation process if nobody had emotional attachment to the product. If it was online, then yeah, there might be some dev or other employee who still remembers the password or something.

[eXtremeDevil]

Any updates on this? I'm thinking of buying a RTX 3080, but also looking at AMD RX 6000. If I can't use 3DVision anymore, I guess I could go for AMD this time.

Any new tests with Win10 1809?

Thanks in advance!

EDIT

Sorry, didn't read the full topic.

If I understood correctly, there is a work in progress, right? Or is it a dead end for new cards and drivers?

Thanks.

[Lysander]

Pls read the last 2 pages of this thread. Not happening anytime soon.

[eXtremeDevil]

I read all pages, but got a little confused at the end though. English is not my native language. Is there a work in progress anyway? This I misread something, or did I really saw something about compatibility with AMD? Sorry to ask already answered questions, but a simplified answer would be better for my understanding.

Thanks and sorry again for the trouble.

[Lysander]

1. nVidia removed 3D support from drivers - can't work with 30xx series
2. The guys here got code for old software (iZ3D) that they might be able to repurpose for Win10 + 3D Vision hardware, bypassing nV drivers

That's pretty much it. If you want 3D for now (at least for non-Vulkan games), forget 30xx series, it'll probably be at least a year if these guys are able to create the new drivers.

[eXtremeDevil]

OK, thanks!

[bo3bber]

@bo3b - I resurrected my dormant LinkedIn account, and I sent a message to the old TriDef CEO describing the current state of 3D Vision, referenced the incredible helixmod.blogspot library and HelixVision, described how iZ3D has graciously helped this community, and asked him about sharing the old Ignition code. I will share his response...

Update:

Per Chris Yewdall, former DDD CEO (including TriDef Ignition), "Unfortunately the code was owned by the Australian subsidiaries of DDD and the liquidators of those business completed the wind up of both those entities earlier this year so the code no longer exists."

Thanks for contacting Chris, much appreciated.

Since he cares about the IP, maybe contact him once more to see if he can give you a contact in the company who liquidated the companies, or barring that someone in Aus DDD that might know. It might be possible to find someone who bought the assets, and get permission from them. I can see from LinkedIn that Daniel Peterson was in the Aus office as Director and would surely know someone who has the code.

The code is not actually gone, any engineer that worked on something like this is going to have a copy, but it will be difficult to find them.

[Chip23]

It's passive 3D on LG TV. Artifitialy polirized light. With no convergence ajusment.

???? No convergence adjustment????

Serious misconception here, passive 3D is real 3D too with of course Both convergence & depth adjustment.

What can you adjust with passive 3D, if it*s phisicaly an additional layer on the screen with permanet specifications?
Or give me examle please - what TV model you mean?

[Chip23]

1. nVidia removed 3D support from drivers - can't work with 30xx series
2. The guys here got code for old software (iZ3D) that they might be able to repurpose for Win10 + 3D Vision hardware, bypassing nV drivers

That's pretty much it. If you want 3D for now (at least for non-Vulkan games), forget 30xx series, it'll probably be at least a year if these guys are able to create the new drivers.

I have now gigabyte rtxx 3080 vision OC (824 Euro). And i sold my 2080 Ti for 2 Month for 550 Euro. But now - it is many of them on the secondhand market for 350-400 Euro. So - i will wait 2 month and buy 2080 ti for 300. Hardware solution ) But 3D Vision will never die! At least for me.

[Lysander]

1. nVidia removed 3D support from drivers - can't work with 30xx series
2. The guys here got code for old software (iZ3D) that they might be able to repurpose for Win10 + 3D Vision hardware, bypassing nV drivers

That's pretty much it. If you want 3D for now (at least for non-Vulkan games), forget 30xx series, it'll probably be at least a year if these guys are able to create the new drivers.

I have now gigabyte rtxx 3080 vision OC (824 Euro). And i sold my 2080 Ti for 2 Month for 550 Euro. But now - it is many of them on the secondhand market for 350-400 Euro. So - i will wait 2 month and buy 2080 ti for 300. Hardware solution ) But 3D Vision will never die! At least for me.

Remember - you can play a few Vulkan games with your 3080 - doom/doom eternal, Detroit and surge 2!

[eXtremeDevil]

In 3D you mean?

[Lysander]

In 3D you mean?

yes, in 3D - Helifax created the Vulkan wrapper for 3D Vision and it works with 30xx series cards (using the latest nVidia drivers). So anything fixed with that wrapper (so far the 4 games I listed) will work. If you want more info, go to http://3dsurroundgaming.com/Vk3DVision.html

[TonyMontana]

yes, in 3D - Helifax created the Vulkan wrapper for 3D Vision and it works with 30xx series cards (using the latest nVidia drivers). So anything fixed with that wrapper (so far the 4 games I listed) will work. If you want more info, go to http://3dsurroundgaming.com/Vk3DVision.html

Have you tested this yourself? (I can't test it myself, as I currently do not own a RTX300-card)

Does the Vk3D-wrapper really support full 120 Hz 3D Vision or is it "normal" stereoscopic output (SBS)?

I wonder if it is possible to create a custom DX11-wrapper that would work in a similar way like Helifax's Vk3D-wrapper for 456+ drivers?

Could someone who owns a RTX-300-card please confirm that the DX9 3D-Vision is still working normally on 456+ drivers?

I would like to compare the code-paths within the DLL files (DX9 vs. DX11) to find out what part of the code has been taken out / needs to be restored / could be used for a custom loader / wrapper.

[Chip23]

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Remember - you can play a few Vulkan games with your 3080 - doom/doom eternal, Detroit and surge 2!
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Ideed - it work. Perfcetly. just tested.

[Lysander]

I didn't but pretty sure that's what he said. More info here:

viewtopic.php?f=105&t=25068&start=800

Its cause dx9 code was left in the drivers for some reason (and dx9 games also work in 3d).

If someone already has 30xx might as well check.

[eXtremeDevil]

That's good news, at least DX9 work with 30xx cards and new drivers, if I understood correctly. Can anyone with a 30xx card confirm this 100%?

Thanks.

[Lysander]

That's good news, at least DX9 work with 30xx cards and new drivers, if I understood correctly. Can anyone with a 30xx card confirm this 100%?

Thanks.

Actually first page of this thread, from Pauldusler:

"I just tried the new driver version 456.38 supporting the new RTX 3000 series cards and so far I wasn't able to get DX11 games to work. DX9 games still work."

[eXtremeDevil]

Right, sorry xD

[Chip23]

That's good news, at least DX9 work with 30xx cards and new drivers, if I understood correctly. Can anyone with a 30xx card confirm this 100%?

Thanks.

Yes. dx9 Render 3D Vision is like always. Perfect

[Chip23]

Remember - you can play a few Vulkan games with your 3080 - doom/doom eternal, Detroit and surge 2!
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Ideed - it work. Perfcetly. just tested.
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In Doom Eternal 3D is ok, but huge ghosting. Tried with many drivers versions and only new Wrapper 2.0.1 works, becouse in 1.0.3 wasn't DX9 render option.

[TonyMontana]

What about Shadow of the Tomb Raider in DX12-mode?

Is TimFx7's solution still working on RTX30 and 456+ drivers?

viewtopic.php?f=181&t=23410

If yes, RTX30 gen is proved to be 3DV-compatible with DX9, Vulkan and DX12, while at the same time NVAPI is still calling as it should so chances are that a loader / wrapper for DX11 can likely be made (of course this will take a decent amount of both time and skill).

I am sure that someone on this awesome community could make a 456+ compatible loader for DX11 titles (maybe a custom version of 3dMigoto), a starting point could be to make it work on a per-game basis and implement the knowledge / functions that the above mentioned wrappers use.

[Chip23]

What about Shadow of the Tomb Raider in DX12-mode?

Is TimFx7's solution still working on RTX30 and 456+ drivers?

viewtopic.php?f=181&t=23410

If yes, RTX30 gen is proved to be 3DV-compatible with DX9, Vulkan and DX12, while at the same time NVAPI is still calling as it should so chances are that a loader / wrapper for DX11 can likely be made (of course this will take a decent amount of both time and skill).

I am sure that someone on this awesome community could make a 456+ compatible loader for DX11 titles (maybe a custom version of 3dMigoto), a starting point could be to make it work on a per-game basis and implement the knowledge / functions that the above mentioned wrappers use.

i'll check this.

[Necropants]

Is it just me or does the fact it still works in Dx9 make this an even more bitter pill to swallow? If I didn't know better almost seems like someone in Nvidia wanted to spite us.

[Lysander]

I dont even k ow how they benefit from this, were such a small niche and they're not even directly in the VR market, so it's not like they care on pushing VR on us (which a lot of ppl here use anyway). Its so dumb

[3DNovice]

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[TonyMontana]

Is it just me or does the fact it still works in Dx9 make this an even more bitter pill to swallow? If I didn't know better almost seems like someone in Nvidia wanted to spite us.

Yep, that's something I also was surprised of. It is actually very odd that they left the DX9 support in - IMHO they might not even have taken the DX11 code out on purpose, because from what I have anaylysed so far, in fact the code has been nearly completely overwritten with newer, non stereo-related code inside the dll that was supposedly inserted solely to support the RTX30 cards. So yes, it could have been accidently overwritten. I also think that we may be able to use the very same code paths that DX9 is still using to process the 3DV-related stereo-API calls and then redirect them somehow to the DX11 driver - so it may be in our luck that they left DX9 support in.

I also would strongly advise against contacting the (low end) NVIDIA customer- or developer-support about this issue, as they will not support anything related to 3D Vision anymore. Instead, I would try to contact a higher instance at NVIDIA, e.g write a kind letter to Jensen Huang or other developers directly. I can Imagine that there might be at least one or two individuals among the higher levels of NVIDIA's senior developers (current or former) who are as enthusiastic as we are about 3DV.
Another thing that came to my mind is trying to contact game studio developers that have been working on titles like e.g the Tomb Raider series (Nixxes) or similar titles with "3D Vision ready"-rating because NVIDIA very likely have shared the neccesary 3DV code with them in order to support their 3DV implementation.

Besides, I am myself currently taking a course in reverse engineering to get the necessary skillset required for the redirection approach, but I cannot say how much time this will take, as I am relatively new to the topic.

[whyme466]

Since he cares about the IP, maybe contact him once more to see if he can give you a contact in the company who liquidated the companies, or barring that someone in Aus DDD that might know. It might be possible to find someone who bought the assets, and get permission from them. I can see from LinkedIn that Daniel Peterson was in the Aus office as Director and would surely know someone who has the code.

The code is not actually gone, any engineer that worked on something like this is going to have a copy, but it will be difficult to find them.

Contacted Chris again on November 15, as suggested, including Daniel Peterson as a possible contact point. I have not heard anything yet. His first response was quite fast, responding within a day.

[wrecked]

RIP, time to upgrade 1080 isn’t holding anymore I’m not waiting till 4000 series and beyond for a possible solution, it’s been fun thanks for the memories.

[RAGEdemon]

You could have the best of both worlds - the 3XXX series doesn't overclock well compared to the 2XXX series. An OC 2080 Ti is 15% slower than an OC 3080 - a barely noticeable performance improvement - unless you have deep pockets for a 3090.

My advice to anyone looking to upgrade would be to buy a good A-chip 2080 Ti with Samsung memory, and experiment with OCing it to max - I am currently running 2075 Mhz core and 8400 Memory on air.

Personally, I shall be skipping this generation and maybe the next - I'll have 2 cards - the 2080 Ti dedicated to 3D Vision, and maybe a 4/5XXX dedicated to VR - changing them around depending on what I am playing at the time. The solution isn't ideal, however it is workable.

[Lysander]

Yeah, and hopefully they restock (what a fiasco!) in Feb, the prices should go down significantly.

[TonyMontana]

Just a few days ago, I stumbled upon this software:

https://www.dll-decompiler.com/

The tool is allegedly capable of decompiling any given .dll file to its C / C++ source.

And when we have the source code from the driver file "nvwgf2um(x).dll", the experts here could take a look at it and make it compatible with the RTX-3000 gen.

I wonder if this really works as described, has anyone here used this software before or do you know similar tools we could use?

[neovad]

Hello to all

Have somebody tested this on RTX 30XX ?

If you want the native 3D kit for the last 461.09 driver: https://www.mediafire.com/file/xq2nk6y0 ... D.rar/file

I've extracted 3DVision.exe via ExtractNow as 7z archive and have a look at all dll's and exe's version... They all 7.17.14.6109. I'll test it on Win 7 x64 with RTX 2070

[neovad]

nvwgf2um(x).dll is missing... It will be strange if this works

[Losti]

You can be sure that this is not working, the files only have changed the version tag, nothing more. There is no difference between the things 3DFM wil do or the driver changing tool.

[neovad]

You can be sure that this is not working, the files only have changed the version tag, nothing more. There is no difference between the things 3DFM wil do or the driver changing tool.

Tested... DX11 games still 2D unfortunatelly

[Losti]

You can be sure that this is not working, the files only have changed the version tag, nothing more. There is no difference between the things 3DFM wil do or the driver changing tool.

Tested... DX11 games still 2D unfortunatelly

They have removed the complete 3D stereo calls things for DX11 from the DLLs so its not a quick way or hack to bring this back. The packages from harisukro are only for user that do not want to use "third party tools" for the driver installation

[neovad]

You can be sure that this is not working, the files only have changed the version tag, nothing more. There is no difference between the things 3DFM wil do or the driver changing tool.

Tested... DX11 games still 2D unfortunatelly

They have removed the complete 3D stereo calls things for DX11 from the DLLs so its not a quick way or hack to bring this back. The packages from harisukro are only for user that do not want to use "third party tools" for the driver installation

So the only way I see is to stay on 452.06 and import profiles from higher versions of Nvidia drivers via Nvidia Inspector

[Losti]

Yepp, you can use the driver changer tool for profile import if you want.