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Once again the excellent hardware review website Trusted Reviews comes up trumps for impartial reviews. This one is a definite read for those like myself who haven't decided between the Zalman or iZ3D monitors.

The heads up for this review came from my RSS feed from the also excellent Engadget.com. Here's how Engadget summarised the trusted reviews.com review of the Zalman's ZM-M2020W Trimon 3D monitor:

"Zalman may be far from being a household name, but a stranger to 3D displays it isn't. The company's latest 22-incher not only packs a 1,680 x 1,050 resolution panel and a bundled set of glasses, but it features the ability to render graphics in 3D. The eager critics over at Trusted Reviews had a nice sit with the device, and when all was said and done, the ZM-M2020W was seen more as a building block for revision two than a runaway winner as it was. On the upside, it did manage to render some pretty phenomenal scenes in 3D -- and even managed to change the reviewer's perception of the technology -- but the overly glossy screen and steep price tag kept it from being recommended without hesitation. Still, if you're willing to pay the premium to fit into the niche, by all means, give the full review a once over in the read link below."

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Now the $64,000 question, I can’t afford both of these monitors so I’m looking for opinions from those who own one or both of these monitors. Which one would you recommend especially for future proof support?

The main problem we have in the UK is that we struggle to try the monitor before we can buy it because of the lack of retail outlets with these specialist displays in stock and on display.

Any suggestions on UK retailers especially in the north-west appreciated, as I have tried those on the Google search but many of them have stopped stocking the 3-D monitors due to a lack of sales.

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PS. I’m aware that this questions is in the wrong section but this review lends itself to asking the question. Neil if you want to remove or want me to move this question to a beter location just let me know. :)
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I myself am hoping to one day get an iz3d monitor for the simple fact that the iz3d drivers are way better than the nvidia ones. Using shutterglasses game made me a pessimist when it comes to those.
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yuriythebest1 wrote:I myself am hoping to one day get an iz3d monitor for the simple fact that the iz3d drivers are way better than the nvidia ones. Using shutterglasses game made me a pessimist when it comes to those.
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Any suggestions on UK retailers especially in the north-west
You might try Scan, in Horwich (near Bolton). They stock both Zalman monitors, and they have a display room ; I've not been in there recently, but they usually have gaming gear in there, and I wouldn't be surprised if they had one on display. You might be able to badger them into putting one out if they haven't.

They price the 22" model at £380 and the 19" model at £280.

http://www.scan.co.uk
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I tell a lie, they only stock the 19" model, the 22" is listed as "on order".
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dr_barnowl wrote:I tell a lie, they only stock the 19" model, the 22" is listed as "on order".

Great I'll arrange something, Thanks dr
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Hi,

I have the 22" version of the Zalman monitor.

Here is my own personal experience from purchase to watching videos and playing games. Please no comments on if im wrong or it’s a crap review it just my personal experience.  peace . PS sorry for bad English and speeling

My pc spec
Dual Core 2.6Ghz
2 Gig Ram
8800GTS 768mb Nvidia graphics card
Zalman 22” 3D monitor
Windows Vista 32 bit

About a year ago, I found an article on the net about this fantastic world of 3D gaming. Since then I have been on the hunt to fulfill my expectations of playing my favorite games in 3D. Over the last year I have come across quite a few solutions like anaglyph and shutter glasses but these have never satisfied my lust for 3D. My most recent quest was to purchase the Zalman 22” 3D monitor which is around £400. So last month, after a bit of saving, I ordered my monitor and was itching with excitement for it to be delivered. With Zalman offering 3D at a resolution of 1680 x 1050 and Ghost free with drivers from Nvidia this was like a wet dream come true. But would the monitor really live up to its promises?

I received my Zalman monitor the next day after ordering it from scan.co.uk. When I opened the box I was very pleased with the packaging and there was no chance it could get damaged in delivery. I slowly started to pull the monitor from its secured position within the box and was straight away surprised by how glossy the screen was and obviously concerned about reflections appearing on screen when using it. I attached the monitor to my pc via the DVI cable provided (analogue cable also provided) and then booted my machine up as normal. Windows vista (32 bit) detected the monitor and the glossy effect didn’t cause a problem as the brightness of the image coming from the screen drowned it out. However it is slightly noticeable when viewing black/darker colours.
I then pulled the pin out of the back of the stand for the monitor to raise its height to adjust to my viewing level and then installed the stereo driver from Nvidia and the free stereoscopic player that came bundled with the monitor, which is used to view 3D films.

(My try at 3D video)
When I checked out 3D video, I played the 3D video that came on the disk and was a bit disappointed until the fish scene when it felt as if it was coming out of the screen. As I said, I found the video a bit disappointing and boring but the fish scene did tell me one thing that there's potential here and that this monitor can produce a real 3D experience. So then I searched the net for more videos and was further disappointed to only find a few videos which I could watch in this 3D mode none as S-3D. The only 3D videos I could really find were for Anaglyph mode which I don’t want to use. Why? Because I have just spent money on this new S-3D monitor and well, anaglyph is inferior in my view and as I said at the start it just doesn't fulfill my lust for that true 3D experience.

After a bit of searching I found out that the Zalman monitor range produced S-3D in the same way as the IMAX cinema. Then I remembered my mate had seen the film Beowolf in 3D a while back, so I though this is a must that I will be able to find and view Beowolf in S-3D. But unfortunately there is no S-3D version, it then struck me why would they release a S-3D version when everyone who wanted to see it in 3D would of gone to the cinema and that nobody except a very very very small percentage would have a device to be able to view it in 3D. So instead they just released the 2D version which then made me think that there's not going to be films in S-3D in the future not unless everyone has a 3D solution in there front room. I then searched for software which would
Convert my 2D films into 3D and found a company called www.ddd.com which has created such a piece of software. I paid around £30 for it and loaded it up and stuck one of my old school favorites films Twelve monkeys in my pc. I then adjusted the depth and out of screen experience as the film started and began watching it. There was a feel of depth but just nothing like the Imax cinema or the fish swimming out of the screen, it just didn't meet my expectation but then again converting 2D into 3D is like converting black and white into color when you look at complexity of converting such a media.

Overview
I guess by seeing the fish come out of the screen that the monitor is ready for 3D films but that rather films aren't ready for the monitor and that we may not see mainstream films for this type of monitor until there's a mainstream TV in everyone's front room that makes its attractive for large corporations to start releasing and making more films in 3D.
Unfortunately I also feel that these types of 3D monitors are not going to become mainstream, as having to wear glasses being the biggest draw back and that people are only just taking on HDTV. Maybe in 5-10 years time will people be ready to indulge themselves in such a new technology. At this point I would like to suggest you take a look at the Philips 3DWOW TV, which im guessing will be the type of 3D TV that will become mainstream. There’s no need for glasses and you can view it at any angle and it appears to be ghost free, this type of technology is known as autostereosocpic and is priced at £7000 at the mo and probably still needs a few good years to be tweaked.
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So overall I feel a bit disappointed with trying to view 3D video on my Zalman but I must point out it wasn’t due to the Moniotr not being able to do its job it was down to not having the 3D media there to watch.


(My try at 3D gaming)
After feeling disappointed with the 3D video side of things I felt it was time to test this monitor based on the reason why I brought it which was to play my games in 3D. When I knew my 3D monitor was going to arrive soon I installed all my favorite games at the ready for 3D gaming. Fear / Stalker / sonic the hedgehog (jokes) / Bioshock and Call of duty 4 which I like to point out is my favorite. I stuck my 3d Glasses on which are slightly tinted but don’t block out any of the brightness from the screen unlike shutter glasses. I first loaded up fear which again to my disappointment didn’t work. Emmm not having much luck here…  Fear didn’t work though as the game doesn’t run in the resolution that the monitor needs to convert it into 3D. Next I loaded up
Call of Duty 4, changed the in game resolution to 1680 x1050 and then hit the Ctrl – T which switches the monitor into 3D mode. BANG the 3D effect was felt immediately, I could truly feel the depth and there was no loss in the graphics at all. I then further tweaked the depth and out of screen experience which further enhanced my 3D experience. I did however feel ghosting and had to change the height and angle of the monitor which fixed this. However every time I jumped for joy at nearly coming first in a free for all game in COD4 I would have to reposition myself back into where I was sitting before or move the monitor again to get rid of the ghosting effect. I felt this gave my body/head a restriction of movement and it’s a tad annoying to always having to be careful of this. However you do get used to this over time and it’s not a big deal to be honest when you’re fully immersed in a game. After an hour or two I did feel a slight bit of eye strain which was a bit more then I normally would have after playing this long. However over the last month this has faded to zero. I also use my Zalman glasses over my normal glasses and have no problem with them fitting over the top or causing me any other issues. I then tested Bioshock and was again very impressed with the overall 3D experience. This monitor was truly living up to my expectations and the 3D experience was fantastic and so enjoyable and made the game even better then it was in 2D. I guess all I need to do now is wait for new games to be released and hope that they can run in the 1680 x 1050 resolution which is needed for 3D mode or I guess I can just play it in 2D mode.

Overview
Well it works, you can play games in 3D and get in my view ghosting down to 1-0%. But you do need in my experience to maintain your head position which is a bit uncomfortable. I managed to get some games to work like COD4 and Bioshock but was unable to get some other (older) games to work due to there restriction that 3D will only work with the resolution of 1680x1050. However I assume that all new games will be able to handle this required resolution. Overall Im still happy with my purchase and truly enjoy the 3D experience and do recommend this monitor as a 3D solution as long as you are aware of the problems which I will feel will come with any 3D monitor and until game and films are made with the fact that some people may wish to view it in real 3D.

My rating (***** = Great / * = SHITE)

Ghosting ***
Image quality 2D *****
Image quality 3D *****
In movie 3D effect ****
Available movies compatible *
In Game 3D effect ****
Available games compatible ***
Overall rating ****


PS if you have any more questions then please post and I will try to answer.

Take care and good night 
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staticbuddha: Good to hear, this might explain my somewhat negative position of the iz3d when I previewed it, my head may not have been positioned just right.
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staticbuddha wrote:Hi,

With Zalman offering 3D at a resolution of 1680 x 1050 and Ghost free with drivers from Nvidia this was like a wet dream come true. But would the monitor really live up to its promises?
I don't want to get too involved in this conversation, but I believe this specific statement is not entirely true.

There is no way to get a native 1680x1050 resolution on a single channel solution. 3D has to render two targets, so unless your resolution is set to 3360x1050, then you are, in fact, only getting 840x1050.
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chilledsanity wrote:staticbuddha: Good to hear, this might explain my somewhat negative position of the iz3d when I previewed it, my head may not have been positioned just right.
That would not explain it actually,
The iZ3D has a 90 Degree viewing angle in 3D, because we use Linear Polarization, not Circular.
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warface wrote:
staticbuddha wrote:Hi,

With Zalman offering 3D at a resolution of 1680 x 1050 and Ghost free with drivers from Nvidia this was like a wet dream come true. But would the monitor really live up to its promises?
I don't want to get too involved in this conversation, but I believe this specific statement is not entirely true.

There is no way to get a native 1680x1050 resolution on a single channel solution. 3D has to render two targets, so unless your resolution is set to 3360x1050, then you are, in fact, only getting 840x1050.
I thought the image was 1680x525 instead of 840x1050, because it's interlaced not vertically interleaved...
840x1050 wouldn't be that bad, because you have less pixels in each direction, but with 1680x525 you have a VERY wide screen...
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Yes Luke....actually you are correct.

It's interlaced vertically so the ending resolution in 3D would be the 1680x525.
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Can you use the Zalman while running an SLI rig + Vista-32?
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staticbuddha wrote: (My try at 3D video)
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So then I searched the net for more videos and was further disappointed to only find a few videos which I could watch in this 3D mode none as S-3D. The only 3D videos I could really find were for Anaglyph mode which I don’t want to use.
Did you try the sample videos at http://www.3dtv.at/Movies/Index_en.aspx They are the creator of the Stereoscopic Player that Zalman licensed.
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staticbuddha wrote:Hi,

I have the 22" version of the Zalman monitor.

Here is my own personal experience..................

PS if you have any more questions then please post and I will try to answer.

Take care and good night 
First of all I must apologise for my delay in responding to all your replies as of late. I have had major issues with upgrading my PC hardware, so I have to resort to a backup PC after issues with a Retailer & manu which I will not go into here, but just to say if you are upgrading to nvidia 790i chipset mobo & nvidia 9800 GX2 GPU you need a monster PSU with very specific voltage requirements!

Staticbuddha thanks for your detailed thoughts, they are taken as personal impressions & are well appreciated, I will definately bear them in mind, Cheers.

Now if you members with iZ3d or both moniters can comment on Staticbuddha review it will be much appreciated.

Interestingly today (26th April), Tomhardware (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/3d-lcd ... ,5230.html) reporting that iZ3D have slashed the 22" from $999 to $599, which goes without saying will brings it into the price bracket of more undesided potentional purchasers, me included. Now if iZ3D sold in major respected retailers like Scan Computers in the UK (who sell the Zalman) I could save the vat & inport tax which has me unwilling to commit at the moment. Come on iZ3D europe / UK deserve your support.

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the iz3d monitor didn't cost 999$ for a long time- up until recently it cost 699$.
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