Meant to be Seen

3DNovice wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 12:26 am I do not think anyone made a modified version for a 1080P model, so use the EDID for the Acer HR274H.

https://3dvision-blog.com/7163-make-you ... 3d-vision/

Other links in OP, such as eye reversal

3DNovice wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:06 am Oops, sorry
That is a 4K TV, I thought it was 1080P.

I thought my 1080P was a UF, it was a WF

For Geo-11 you do not need a EDID Override, but you will need it if not using Geo-11

EDID override guide vidéo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIhjjcoyX_s

whyme466 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 3:03 pm Looks like lots of old references are disappearing over time.

1. Download and save joker18's 4K EDID file. Download and save EyeSwapper app.
2. Start Windows Device Manager. Select Generic Monitor driver under Monitors section of Device Manager, and select Update Driver. Select that you have driver locally, and navigate to joker18's EDID file.
3. The first time (and only the first time), you will need to bypass Windows 10/8 driver signature, as discussed in https://3dvision-blog.com/8483-how-to-i ... windows-8/.
4. Run EyeSwapper app every time you start computer for 3D gaming (leave it running).
5. Test 3D using NVidia Control Panel 3D test pattern.

whyme466 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:19 pm Did you continue, ignoring warning?

whyme466 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 5:40 pm Instead of using EDID override, have you tried using Interlaced or Top/Bottom 3D display modes (in fixes supporting these modes)?

3DNovice wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:45 am Did you select the stereoscopic option in the in-game menu?

Innuendo1231 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:36 pm You should try to create you own edid mod. That's the best way, as it will contain the axact timings and capabilities of your display.
Extract your own display edid via moninfo into bin format.

You'll need to hex edit it, see my post here on what to edit.
viewtopic.php?p=187832#p187832

Then open that hex edited bin file in moninfo, and export it as a inf.

Enforce the driver and you'll see "Acer passive 3D LCD" in nvidia's control panel's stereoscopic settings.

3DNovice wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:31 pm

3DNovice wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:45 am Did you select the stereoscopic option in the in-game menu?

drpsycho wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:41 pm This game don't have this option, it automatically goes in 3d if i click "play in 3d" in 3d fix manager

Haha what???
da duck, it doesn't....

dada da da da Batman.png

Well, at least it does in the Game of the Year version, I do not have the earlier version.
And if you are using an EDID override and Nvidia stereoscopic drivers to output Line Interleaved, well then......

Innuendo1231 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:42 pm Absolutely. It works generally for everything driven by 3dvison, which at this point means every dx9 game. Since for dx11 we have geo11 which has line interleaved output mode and it's better than 3dvision ever was.
By the way, doesn't Arkham asylum have dx11 mode?


Edit:
Arkham city was the first one that has dx11 mode, so that can be used with geo11. For asylum you indeed have to rely on 3dvision with edid mod, but that should work perfectly.

drpsycho wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:45 pm I didn't have the time to test your sugestion yet, but let me ask something, line interleaved is the best 3d option for passive displays? Why is it better than 3dtvplay or side by side? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
Thanks.

Innuendo1231 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:07 pm

drpsycho wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:45 pm I didn't have the time to test your sugestion yet, but let me ask something, line interleaved is the best 3d option for passive displays? Why is it better than 3dtvplay or side by side? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
Thanks.

For many reasons.
Line interleaved is how the Tv displays the 3D. If you use any other format, then the TV has to convert it from that format to line interleaved. This will result in lower picture quality compared to if it's natively coming from the GPU in interleaved format.
The conversion by the TV from one format to the other also takes time which meas that input lag will be MUCH higher.
And lastly, 3DTVplay limits your resolution to 720p @ 60hz or 1080p @ 24hz. So that's the worst possible solution.

Also 3dfix manager is not really needed. It only confuses things now. It was created long ago and didn't keep up with the changes in the drivers and windows itself and no longer works properly in my exprience. See the thread that I linked earlier (with the hex edit), I explain how I was able to fix 3Dvision for dx9 with current windows 10 and current nvidia driver.
The only thing that I use 3d fix manager for is to install the 3D vision driver component (not the base driver itself). After that I never run it again.

Innuendo1231 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:51 pm 3DTV play and line interleaved mode are two opposite things. 3DTV play uses a special standardized 3D HDMI format signal, that packs the left and right eye frames together, then the TV has to process and convert that to its own display mode.

Line interleaved mode is NOT a 3D signal format. It is a regular 2D signal that has alternating pixel rows the left and right eye picture in odd/even lines. The TV will not recognize it as a 3D signal but the alternating odd and even lines that are displayed are aligned with the TV's polarizing panel. This is literally the point of passive 3D ... no conversion, no special formats, just a plain 2D signal with your TV's native resolution at whatever refresh rate (60hz, mostly).

In other words, no you should not use 3dtv play mode at all. That is what you want to avoid.

It's very much possible that the 3D fix manager isn't compatible with native line interleaved mode or the edid mod. Like I said, it isn't working as it was once intended anymore.

You can just put the helixmod fix into the game's folder manually, no need to use 3d fix manager, try to close it (it should not run in the background).

If the nvidia control panel says optimized for geforce, that's good. Can you alter the separation values and apply the settings? Does it save normally?

Innuendo1231 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:59 pm Jeez, this is a big mess. I never had to go through any of these problems when I played the game and I never had anything else than a passive 3D TV. I always just lancuhed the game without 3d fix manager and everything worked.

But the reason you can't save the stereo settings is beucase of 3d vision's installation problems that the 3d fix manager can't resolve by itself. Look at the thread I linked earlier and you'll find the instructions to fix it.

I would start over from zero. Uninstall every bit of nvidia driver with DDU, start from the ground up. And forget 3dtvplay and 3d fix manager. Really, it just tangels everything up, as you can see. The only reason to use 3d fix manager is to let it install 3d vision, after that, let go of it.

drpsycho wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:18 pm When you played the game the cutscenes were in 3d in line interleaved?

drpsycho wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:18 pm After using ddu, installing the old drivers that comes with the 3d driver would bypass the use of 3dfix manager and your fix right?

Innuendo1231 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 8:20 am

drpsycho wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:18 pm When you played the game the cutscenes were in 3d in line interleaved?

Which cutscenes are you talking about? The real time rendered or the pre-rendered cutscenes? The pre-rendered cutscenes are not 3D in arkham asylum, only in akrham city. The real time cutscenes were always 3D for me.

drpsycho wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:18 pm After using ddu, installing the old drivers that comes with the 3d driver would bypass the use of 3dfix manager and your fix right?

Which fix are you talking about?

The edid override will always be necesary in every case. If you are going to use the old 425.31 drvier, than the edid mod is all that you need to do. Keep in mind that the monitor's (TVs) driver will likely always reset after a driver reinstall, so you need to enforce it the device manager after every driver install.
3D fix manager let's you install the base driver 425.31 and also let's you install 3d vision driver on top of that. IF you stay with this old driver, then you just apply the edid mod and after that 3d vision should automatically work in line interleaved mode (no 3d fix manager!) you can check if it's enabled in the nvidia control panel, and you should be able to save different settings too. Don't forget to enable the advanced controls there, or you won't be able to change convergence ingame. You can launch the game as you would normally without 3d fix manager running and everything should work fine.

I guess this is what you should do first, this step is necesary for making the newer drivers work anyway.

If howerer, you want to use the latest drivers, then you need follow the fixing process I discribed in this thread:
viewtopic.php?p=187832

If you do that procdure, you'll have latest drivers, 3d vision for dx9 and you can use geo-11 for dx11.

On a side note, for my 49 and 55 inch TV's I always had to makde drastic changes to the separation and convergence values.
For separation I have to use between 5% - 8% depending on game, and pair it with a VERY high convergence value that brings your character (that you're playing with) to screen depth. This gives the best looking stereo result and also the least strain on your eyes.