Looking for suggestions on side by side apps/tools

Post by **stee1hed** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:40 pm

The guys at TDVision went the extra mile with getting my TDVisor to work with my laptop. My laptop has one dvi output into a Matrox DualHead2Go which splits the output into 2 outputs to the TDVisor. Side by side format is what this rig needs. They updated their firmware to be able to support this setup.

I've tested it with the MyAlbum app downloadable from here and it works great. sView didn't have the right options, at least I couldn't find it.

My laptop has dual 8800 gtx nVidia cards, not in SLI currently (that will come

).

I'm looking for input on what others use for side by side viewing of anything stereo.

I'm thinking for games I'm kinda screwed right now until something comes out that can do side by side.

Post by **cybereality** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:00 pm

You can use the Stereoscopic Player to view side-by-side videos. It has many options for different settings so I am almost 100% sure that would work.
Won't help you much for gaming, but at least its something to test with the glasses.

Post by **Welder** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:21 am

Our 1.08 Supports Side-By-Side, and has been tested a bit, and has been shown to work with the TDVisor, But, question is, combining the dual output mode WITH a matrox dual head... It should be possible though, so you may want to give it a try.

I'll give you the setting you need to change in the profile to enable the mode best used with Matrox when I am in the office tomorrow. But, please note that the Mode for matrox has limited testing, so it may or may not work. And it has also never been tested(By me anyway) in conjunction with the dual output mode, so it may not actually be possible at the moment to set Both matrox and dual output. I'll try to find out for you though.

Post by **LukePC1** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:41 am

This would help THIS guy with his problem:

sael wrote:Hello,
Im am looking for some working plateform configuration for Age of Conan and Everquest

I need to "double" my 3D computing power.
Actualy my Plateform is :
Asus P5B , 4 Go Ram
Core 2 Duo E8500 ( 3,16 Go)
NV GTX280 1 Go ram
Windows XP 32Bit SP3.
I have 15 to 40 FPS and i want to get up to 25 40 FPS.

What im looking for :
- someone able to test Age of Conan with MatroxDualHead2go and NV SLI
- someone able to test this Everquest with MatroxDualHead2go and NV SLI

you see, he needs (wants) to run his IZ3D with SLI and Matrox for more speed...

Post by **sael** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:05 am

Please Welder tell me that you can work these 2 games in your lab, i will take care of the rest

I will also need some Private message to explain how to activate side by side rendering.

Post by **stee1hed** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:28 am

cybereality, thanks for the video player link. Can't wait to try it!

Welder, I hope you have some good news for me (us)! This feature would definitely give iZ3D another feather in its cap with your driver capability.

Luke, sael,
I don't have those games but I definitely will do some testing with games I do have and post the results. With my laptop and SLI enabled, you can only have the laptop display OR the external display on. Setting the external display as the primary monitor and enabling SLI using iZ3D's side by side capable driver should work in theory. Sounds like sael is definitely ready for testing!

Also, I am going to be receiving TDVision's software offerings, AlterView, Dejaview, etc. I look forward to this weekend!

Post by **stee1hed** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:27 pm

Update....
The Stereoscopic Player cybereality linked to DEFINITELY works!

Post by **Welder** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:13 pm

Unfortunately I did not have time to test it this week, I will hopefully have time to do it early next week.

Sorry about that.

Post by **stee1hed** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:15 am

Welder, no problem. I appreciate the update other than leaving me hanging.

I've got plenty of stuff to do in the meantime.

As far as the Stereoscopic Player, I love what I'm able to see with it. Last night I was watching the short movies from the the 3dtv site in total freaking amazement. I haven't felt that giddy in a long time with 3d. Bright, sharp, clear, no ghosting 3d images!

Post by **Freke1** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:36 am

Here's some 3D video links: http://www.3d.wep.dk/3dgallery.html
(while we wait for Beowulf, Swartzenegger, Alien, Star Wars etc. in 3D (if ever...))

also:
http://www.stereomaker.net/sample/hibiya.zip
http://www.stereomaker.net/sample/car.zip
http://www.stereomaker.net/sample/bobsleigh.zip
http://stereomaker.net/ai/data/mv/f3dmv.avi

Post by **phil** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:51 pm

stee1hed - if you're looking for games that output side-by-side stereo, I have one here (work in progress) : http://download.programmerart.org (more info in the forum thread).

Might be a daft question: do the nVidia stereo drivers not provide any side-by-side mode?

Post by **decoril** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:54 pm

This are Very good news, i am happy to see that TDVision is not taking the dark easy path of sitting over their acomplishements and selling cars color of your choice, provided that that color is black heh:
What the industry needs are developers that have a sincere and true spirit of innovation and progress that believe and loves whatever they choose to make and doesnt see their products only like a great way for making the money of it, and they will never be let down alone when they fall (god forbid it), this kind o motion is the one that has ever and ever prevailed at the end. keep fighting for your vision

XDD sorry for the cheap (but not so far from reality i intuit) philosophycal post, but hey; it does not hurt does it? congraats^^

Post by **stee1hed** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:22 pm

phil, funny enough, I already had that game (more like tech demo) and was viewing it with anaglyph. I just fired it up, turned on side by side, selected 1620 (1600 was not available) by 600 full screen resolution, drug the window over to my TDVisor display and chose full screen output. I believe I have version 17.0. It works! The difference between full color 3d vs anaglyph is day and night.

Might be a daft question: do the nVidia stereo drivers not provide any side-by-side mode?

I believe nVidia only supports anaglyph and Zalman displays at the present. I haven't even tried it yet. Anyway, I have Vista and 8800 gtx video so getting it working would most likely involve much tweaking and time.

Freke, thanks for the links! I've already been poking around on them. My google search did not turn up anything like this collection!

Post by **LukePC1** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:13 am

NV driver for XP has a Dualoutput, but I don't think it would work on a single Monitor (or with one single output). If your Matrox would work like two different outputs, you might have more luck...

I agree, that Anaglyph and full color (with SGs) is like night and day. In the night you see black and white on the day you have full color

Post by **Welder** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:55 pm

OK, I did some testing, but came out a bit short unfortunately. I got it to display the desktop correctly, but unfortunately in game, it didn't seem to separate correctly. It just cut the game directly down the center.

You may have yours configured differently, so feel free to test it yourself.

To enable matrox output, please edit the Config.xml file

Found here:
XP: "\Documents and Settings\All users\iZ3D Driver\"
Vista: "\ProgramData\iZ3D Driver\"

Find the setting called OutputSpanMode (it's near the top) and set it to 1 (default is 0)

This enables the Matrox mode with our drivers.

Now, just go to our drivers and enable the dual output mode, and see if you have any luck.

Just remember, the Matrox mode is not yet supported by us. It is still in testing phases.

Let me know if you have any luck.

Also, in Unreal Tournament, I had to make sure my resolution in the game matched the TDVisor(800x600) or the Visor would go blank.

--Charlie Rosenberg
Technical Support Specialist / Web Master
iZ3D LLC

Post by **LukePC1** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:16 pm

I tried to test it, but the 30 days from the beta are run out

It was only one or two month that I installed it

Unfortunatly with the lack of a display I couldn't try out much.

More serious: If I understand right, this would also enable to view 3D with either cross eyed or 'wall' eyed on a single monitor? It could be the 'solution' for everyone who whants to use a Viewmaster to watch 3D pictures on a PC

please correct me if I'm wrong

Post by **Welder** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:50 pm

LukePC1 wrote:I tried to test it, but the 30 days from the beta are run out
It was only one or two month that I installed it
Unfortunatly with the lack of a display I couldn't try out much.

More serious: If I understand right, this would also enable to view 3D with either cross eyed or 'wall' eyed on a single monitor? It could be the 'solution' for everyone who whants to use a Viewmaster to watch 3D pictures on a PC

please correct me if I'm wrong

Im sorry your trial expired

And, no. Dual output is for dual output... and the Span Mode is meant pretty much just for Matrox. It takes the game, renders it twice, and doubles the resolution so it will be split. It is not possible in its current form to be able to render twice on one screen.

Post by **LukePC1** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:15 am

Huh? Why not? I think Matrox simulates a big and widescreen Monitor, doesn't it? In that case it should be possible to simulate the simulated widescreen Monitor and have it on one monitor --> crosseyed gaming on one monitor.
I know playing crosseyed is tiring very fast, but absolutly ghost free

However making it with two whole monitors is realy too much - if you keep in range to your keyboard...

2 Monitors and crosseyed works at 2 meters distance

Post by **sael** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:17 am

What game could you test Welder in Dual "Span Mode" ?

I have to buy a Matrox Box to test it and I am unsure about which solution to get after the BlackQ answer.

Looks like the ATI CrossfireX has more change of giving me satisfaction and support ATM, even if the GPU is less powerful than NVGTX280.

The 2 games i wants in 100 % are Everquest and Age of Conan the others are "optional' and for those i could get back to Single NV Card Configuration if needed.

Post by **Welder** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:18 am

LukePC1 wrote:Huh? Why not? I think Matrox simulates a big and widescreen Monitor, doesn't it? In that case it should be possible to simulate the simulated widescreen Monitor and have it on one monitor --> crosseyed gaming on one monitor.
I know playing crosseyed is tiring very fast, but absolutly ghost free
However making it with two whole monitors is realy too much - if you keep in range to your keyboard...

2 Monitors and crosseyed works at 2 meters distance

Well, I said in its current form. As in, right now with the current 1.08 I'm sure it could be possible in further updates

And Sael,
If you would like, please email me a short list of games that you want to know about. Welder (AT) iz3d.com

But, please remember that there may be other priorities before I can do some testing. But I'll try to fit it in whenever possible.

Post by **stee1hed** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:58 pm

Thanks Welder for the info! I haven't been able to test yet, but hopefully soon. A new baby sure does take a lot of attention!

but I wouldn't trade it for anything.

Post by **cybereality** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:10 pm

stee1hed wrote:A new baby sure does take a lot of attention! but I wouldn't trade it for anything.

Congratulations man! No need to slack on your fatherly duties on account of stereo-3d!

Post by **Welder** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:08 pm

No problem.

And Congratulations on the addition to your family

Post by **stee1hed** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:57 pm

I have possibly a very ignorant question. I have 1.08 and my only choices are iZ3D and anaglyph. That's it, no dual output. What am I doing wrong?

Post by **Welder** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:54 pm

stee1hed wrote:I have possibly a very ignorant question. I have 1.08 and my only choices are iZ3D and anaglyph. That's it, no dual output. What am I doing wrong?

Please select Full Installation when you install

Post by **cybereality** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:02 pm

Hey, I found a piece of free software than can act like a TH2G. All you need is a cheap second video card (PCI-E):
http://www.kegetys.net/SoftTH/

Post by **LukePC1** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:15 am

Interesting one... unfortunatly I don't own enough PCI-Express cards or PCI-E slots... I could build in a PCI card with 2mb

It is usually used for testing, if a GPU is still working

I'm interested to know, if this would work with the IZ3D matrox output...
And if someone could get the existing driver to work on a 'single' screen for crosseyed viewing (which would have a nice size then

)